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[08:10] hi guys [08:17] <_sev> hi Strangerke [08:17] <_sev> hi uruk [08:20] jamm (~jam@unaffiliated/jamm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:21] jamm (~jam@unaffiliated/jamm) joined #scummvm. [08:38] TMM (~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm) joined #scummvm. [08:48] jammm (~jam@106.221.157.216) joined #scummvm. [08:48] jamm (~jam@unaffiliated/jamm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:53] <_sev> does anyone need several Steam keys for Humongous Entertainment games? I'm giving those for free [08:54] Hum... [08:54] I'm wondering which HE game I don't own... maybe M.C. [08:55] <_sev> Let's Explore the Farm [08:55] But if you really have too many, well, why not [08:55] <_sev> Jungle [08:55] I have this one [08:55] <_sev> Spy Fox: In Hold the Mustard [08:55] I have all the adventure games in fact [08:55] <_sev> airport [08:55] <_sev> puttrace [08:55] in English, French, and sometimes in NL [08:55] :P [08:57] <_sev> :) [08:57] <_sev> well, I own those on real meida [08:57] but it could be convenient to add one or another on my kid's laptop during the holidays [09:01] m_kiewitz (~m_kiewitz@x4d03eef7.dyn.telefonica.de) joined #scummvm. [09:01] m_kiewitz (~m_kiewitz@x4d03eef7.dyn.telefonica.de) left irc: Changing host [09:01] m_kiewitz (~m_kiewitz@scummvm/undead/m-kiewitz) joined #scummvm. [09:01] #scummvm: mode change '+o m_kiewitz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [09:03] t0by (~t0by@host176-243-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #scummvm. [09:03] #scummvm: mode change '+v t0by' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 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[11:13] Tkachov (Tkachov@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-bydunkdnuujwwcpo) joined #scummvm. [11:23] Action: L0ngcat just ordered OUAT cd version. 10 USD + 35 USD shipping cost :P [11:23] sorry OUAF [11:27] CD version? cool [11:28] I only own the floppy version [11:31] Strangerke, I know [11:31] jammm (~jam@106.221.157.216) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:31] only place I could find it was Amazon US market place [11:31] jamm (~jam@unaffiliated/jamm) joined #scummvm. [11:41] jammm (~jam@106.221.157.216) joined #scummvm. [11:41] jamm (~jam@unaffiliated/jamm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:45] L0ngcat: OUAT? [11:46] and wait, so you chose a seller that uses the ebay international scam service? [11:46] otherwise postage should be around 20 USD [11:48] m_kiewitz: no, OUAF by Sanctuary Woods. I used Amazon US, the only place I have been able to find this item. Postage from US to Scandinavia is super expensive with Amazon [11:49] oh right, amazon US has that international scam service too [11:49] yeah [11:50] I asked them to use regular postal service, but they refused [11:51] that's why i don't order from them anymore [11:51] because they charge you customs fees, although it's not possible for them to accurately calculate those anywa [11:51] anyway and it's illegal for them to charge for those too [11:52] and for some countries they ignore customs free limits and charge anyway and you have to jump through hoops to get them back [11:52] and there are also reports, that such packages were still caught by customs and you then had to pay on top, which should be impossible if they actually did customs fee deposits [11:53] which is why i assume that they actually don't do those deposits, they rather keep it for themselves [11:53] i also never got any customs papers with such packages (ebay included too) [11:53] jammm (~jam@106.221.157.216) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:54] which i should get, otherwise there is no way for me to show that I paid customs fees [11:54] jammm (~jam@106.221.157.216) joined #scummvm. [11:59] Well, I can't see any customs fees here, shipping from US to Scandinavia is, like I said, usually expensive. There is no customs on parcels in my country with a value under 45 USD anyway [11:59] they didn't charge you that too? [12:00] no [12:00] Wow, $35 for postage only is quite insane [12:00] only shipping (with tracking and insurance) [12:00] yes, I know! [12:00] some years ago USPS offered ground shipping w/o tracking [12:01] I have been looking for this for years, but only found it in the US. With my luck, Strangerke will dig up one tomorrow on german ebay :P [12:01] which was really really cheap, but many people abused it and ordered stuff and then said that they never received it, that's why USPS scrapped it [12:01] and now the cheapest way is around $20 :( [12:01] :( [12:01] well, at least I have a job [12:01] 10 years ago I ordered a ton of DVDs from US, because of that cheap shipping [12:02] including special / limited editions and so on [12:02] nowadays it's not worth it most of the time [12:02] nah [12:02] the tax limit used to be only 20 USD in my country, so it was usually cheaper to buy import stuff. Books are exempt though [12:07] wait, tax limit? You mean you didn't have to pay taxes unless the order is more than 20 USD? [12:07] that's a quite bad limit, way too low [12:08] well, that is what it used to be [12:09] now it is about 45 USD, tax free on any item. but still waaay to low. Books, you can import as much as you want tax free [12:09] well 45 USD is actually quite nice [12:09] including shipping cost [12:09] but combined with the crazy postage it's of course not good [12:09] yes [12:09] which means this one will be just under the limit [12:10] thankfully [12:10] although you could import single blu-rays or something like that, because at least some shop on ebay ships those for 5 USD to Europe [12:10] (in regular letters, no tracking no insurance) [12:12] bah, I live in 2016, the only plastic discs I am willing to spend money on are from the 90's:) I do not even think I own a dvd or blue-ray player anymore. Digital is the way [12:14] urgh :P i can't stand digital downloads/streaming [12:16] ajax16384 (~User@ip138.net138.n37.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [12:17] What is the difference? With my tv, I can hardly tell the difference between blue-ray and 1080p content. Everything is digital anyway, just pressed onto a single piece of plast, that can get damaged, destroyed, is costly and hardly environmental [12:17] I don't even have music cd's anymore (except for rare adventure game soundtracks) [12:18] yes, but you actually own blu-rays, dvds and CDs [12:18] when you buy digital downloads, you don't own them anymore [12:18] service gets closed down = you lost basically everything [12:18] and then there is another problem with censorship [12:18] and you can sell those physical items too [12:19] which means they are worth something [12:19] you can't sell your steam library (well you probably can, but that's against ToS) [12:21] wow, what the hell happened to the British pound [12:22] This is true, but I would never use Steam either. With Gog, I can at least back up my purchases should they close down. And I hardly think a cd or dvd pressed in the millions will ever be worth as much as a limited edition adventure games cd from the early 90's. [12:22] brexit happened to the Pound [12:22] do you not read the news :P [12:23] yes, agreed. if I would go for digital downloads, then DRM-free only [12:23] yeah [12:23] yes sure, but the pound was not that bad 2 weeks ago lol [12:24] seems pretty high to me still? 11.2 exchange rate. Used to be 13.2, so a bit lower now [12:24] I think it is going back up [12:25] it has been $1.31-ish for a while [12:25] jubr (57ed1b9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.237.27.158) joined #scummvm. [12:26] it has been? i thought at some pound $9.50 was around 6.70 GBP or so [12:26] but EUR-wise it wasn't that bad [12:28] L0ngcat: sure, it's pretty often that it's about limited prints [12:28] i got lucky and got myself the Dune soundtrack (not movie, but PC game) for a few bucks only. That one normally goes for crazy prices [12:29] well, I have around 2000 music cd's stacked in plastic crates about 2 hours drive from here if you are interested in investing ;) [12:29] old PC games in proper condition go for quite a few bucks as well [12:29] game soundtracks? [12:29] Cool. I looked forever for the super rare Discworld Noir Soundtrack that was released in Germany only. Not selling that [12:30] ha, see [12:30] afraid not [12:30] although right i wonder why GOG is not selling game soundtracks digitally as well [12:30] keeping my adventure OST cd's :) [12:30] sometimes they are bundled with games, but all sorts of soundtracks are missing [12:30] yes [12:30] i also imported quite a few from Japan [12:30] well, they usually include them as freebies if they can [12:30] Europe + US gets almost no game soundtracks on CD anymore except as pre-order bonus and then with selected tracks only [12:31] I think a lot of rights are lost in Limbo [12:31] Japan gets quite a lot of game soundtracks on actual CDs [12:31] I imported for example Bayonetta 1+2, Xenoblade Chronicles and lots more [12:32] Deus Ex: Human Revolution soundtrack got released in the west, but was afaik also a limited run [12:32] you got older soundtracks? which ones? [12:33] im sure you (and I) could make a fortune selling the soundtracks on ebay [12:35] same goes for older PC + console games [12:35] that's why I always go for physical copies when possible [12:36] m_kiewitz: I have to check my list at home, but if it is for an adventure game and released before 2005, I most probably own it [12:37] o_O WOW [12:37] I'm pretty sure that you could sell those for massive amounts of money [12:37] some I had to order from Russia, some I had to track down through Discogs [12:37] keep them in good condition [12:37] the longer you wait, the more they will be worth [12:37] omg [12:38] yeah, they are all ripped to flac and neatly packed [12:38] so, maybe when I retire, you will buy my collection? [12:38] nah :P but someone else probably will [12:38] let's hope so :) [12:38] i doubt i could compete with crazy collectors [12:39] if I never get any kids, I will donate it to ScummVM [12:39] i get lucky sometimes on Japanese yahoo auctions and so on [12:39] cool [12:40] well i got for example the NICO bonus DVD for 300 yen only [12:40] yeah, Japan is pretty good for rare soundtrack cd's. My only problem is that I can't read any asian language :( [12:40] Maybe you know the games ICO and Shadow of the Colossus on PS2 [12:40] Shadow got a special pre-order DVD in Japan called NICO [12:41] i also got quite a few Nintendo soundtracks from there [12:41] those go for crazy prices on ebay, but are somewhat okay-ish price-wise on Japanese yahoo auctions [12:41] Yeah, I have seen it, but do not own it. I have the soundtracks for Ico (Shadows in the Mist?) and SOTC [12:41] for example Donkey Kong Country Returns [12:41] it mostly contains trailers and videos, does it not? [12:41] yeah me too, i got the ICO one from Japan as well [12:42] well, it features beta footage and also footage of the originally planned multiplayer game, which was cancelled [12:42] I am waiting for them to release Ico and SotC on PS4, I never owned a console before this :P [12:42] i also got both Silent Hill DVDs [12:42] kool [12:42] which feature artwork and music videos and some more stuff [12:42] I am only interested in Shattered Memories [12:42] got the first one when it was released from Japan [12:43] the other games are to action oriented for me [12:43] then they released another one and I thought "nah, why bother" [12:43] then that one went OOP and it's crazy expensive now [12:43] and I got lucky and got it for quite cheap from Japan lol [12:43] nice :) [12:43] I also imported the full Silent Hill soundtrack collection [12:43] which includes the soundtracks of every single Silent Hill game ever made [12:43] in special packaging, I love that one [12:44] Shattered Memories as well? [12:44] yes of course [12:44] but there was a promo CD as well [12:44] http://www.silenthillmemories.net/music/shsm_osts_en.htm [12:45] US only [12:45] I started that 5 times, but never got through it. Not the biggest horror-fan I guess [12:45] well i personally only really like the original Team Silent games + Shattered memories [12:45] the other ones are crap :P [12:45] btw. that's the soundtrack collection: http://www.silenthillmemories.net/music/sh_sounds_box_en.htm [12:45] Wasn't there a remaster of the first game recently? [12:46] you played it on Wii? [12:46] nope [12:46] PS2 Emulator [12:46] I never owned a console before PS4 [12:46] oh that one omg [12:46] Konami made HD ports of Silent Hill 2+3 [12:46] but those are god-awful [12:46] avoid them at all costs [12:46] right [12:46] will probably only play number one, if ever :) [12:47] get them for PS2, get them in case they are released digitally on PS4 at some point, but only in case it's the unmodified versions [12:47] i think for the first one you should probably get the US release [12:47] European release got effectively censored [12:47] but you should really play Silent Hill 2 at some point [12:47] it's probably one of the best games ever made [12:47] but only the unmodified version [12:47] did you play Shattered Memories on the Wii? [12:48] because that's probably the best way to play it [12:49] Silent Hill 1+3 are primary about a cult, which is really interesting. Silent Hill 2 is primarily about a stand-alone story + characters [12:49] if you ever play SH1, you should later play SH3 too. It's a continuation of the story [12:50] but again unmodified only. For the HD port they redid all the voice acting and ruined basically everything [12:54] WinterGrascph (~WinterGra@catv-178-48-146-216.catv.broadband.hu) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:58] jammmm (~jam@106.221.157.216) joined #scummvm. [12:58] jammm (~jam@106.221.157.216) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:00] Tkachov (Tkachov@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-bydunkdnuujwwcpo) left irc: Quit: https://fnordserver.eu [13:23] jamm (~jam@unaffiliated/jamm) joined #scummvm. [13:23] jammmm (~jam@106.221.157.216) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [13:28] ajax16384 (~User@ip33.net130.n37.ru) joined #scummvm. [13:28] #scummvm: mode change '+o ajax16384' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [13:29] Strangerke (~Strangerk@APoitiers-652-1-480-113.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:29] snover (~Adium@unaffiliated/snover) joined #scummvm. [13:29] #scummvm: mode change '+o snover' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [13:44] WinterGrascph (~WinterGra@87.97.26.126.pool.invitel.hu) joined #scummvm. [13:57] https://github.com/Dooskington/GameLad nice [13:59] uruk-hai, how is this better than the other zillion emulators out there? [13:59] not sarcastic, actual question. [13:59] i don't know any other, i just see that this one is nice work :) [14:05] waltervn (~waltervn@82-171-142-149.ip.telfort.nl) joined #scummvm. [14:05] #scummvm: mode change '+o waltervn' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:11] m_kiewitz: no, I never owned a Wii, my brother has one, may be able to borrow it from him. I really hated the low hardware specs on the Wii, and I was never a Nintendo kid [14:11] but how did you play Shattered Memories then? [14:12] SM was only released on PS2, Wii and I think PSP [14:12] and the Wii version is the best one, not only graphically but also control-wise [14:19] Tkachov (Tkachov@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fapfbrzimlondhdo) joined #scummvm. [14:19] #scummvm: mode change '+v Tkachov' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:24] I borrowed my brothers PS3 a few years ago, Shattered Memories was on the PSN network I think [14:24] I have the PS2 disc, but this of course will not play in my PS4:P [14:25] If I recall correctly, I managed to run it in an emulator on my iMac at some point, but this was long ago [14:26] but yeah, both Wii and PS2 has a max resolution of 480p, does it not? [14:27] PS2 could do 1080i [14:28] then, is not the PS2 version of Shattered Memories better, graphically speaking? [14:28] no, only two games ever used the 1080i mode [14:28] going home from work now, will be back later [14:28] and output resolution doesnt have anything to do with texture memory/quality etc. [14:28] snover, I see, thanks [14:29] or number of polygons that could be rendered, or shaders, or other effects [14:29] I just imagined Wii would not store higher res art work than it was able to display [14:32] you should look at some screenshots of Wii games in Dolphin emulator [14:32] they are quite impressive. [14:33] uruk-hai (~uruk-hai@business-78-139-55-13.business.broadband.hu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:36] L0ngcat: PS2 was capable of 1080i, but basically no games used that mode because the console way too weak [14:36] Shattered Memories looks the best on Wii, trust me on that :P [14:37] snover: not only that, but DS games had high quality textures + models as well. You can see that on emulators that render the games at a higher resolution [14:38] DS games only look that "bad" because of the low resolution of the screen [14:38] yeah, DS had high-quality audio too, shoved through an 8-bit DAC [14:38] L0ngcat: and as I said - controls are best on Wii as well. Most of the game is you running around with a flashlight and that works perfectly with the Wiimote [14:39] oh, shoot, I even meant GBA. [14:39] which is craaazy [14:39] yes [14:40] snover: often the data was in high res in ROM [14:40] that was Yoshi's Island on GBA's only fault [14:40] there are tools to play those back at max quality [14:40] as many games use the same 'players' [14:40] and sadly Nintendo doesn't seem to be able to sell the SNES one on Virtual Console because they don't own the rights to the Super/FX chip [14:41] m_kiewitz: what a mess [14:41] GBA was/is great [14:41] porting my adventure to it even, hopefully [14:42] yes, I'm sure Nintendo didn't think about selling their games 15 years later on a Virtual Console [14:42] m_kiewitz: right. Might just have to borrow my kid brothers Wii then. He was the Nintendo kid [14:42] otherwise they would have made sure to have all the rights [14:44] L0ngcat: and get yourself a PS2 and then buy Silent Hill 1+2+3 [14:45] it will be worth it for those 3 games alone [14:45] gah [14:45] but there are tons of others [14:45] It's bad enough I have a PS4 in my home [14:45] and I only bought that for Qquantic Dream exclusive games [14:45] PS2 actually has tons of great games, and those aren't even last-gen ports like most of the games on PS4 :P [14:46] I am sure, but not adventure games [14:46] after the 2 David Cage games on PS3 I think I had enough of those :P [14:46] which is almost the only type of game I play [14:46] Wii has quite a few adventure games [14:46] I liked Beyond 2 Souls [14:46] for example Zack & Wiki [14:47] don't let the cartoon graphics fool you [14:47] Heavy Rain was too depressing (but the sunglasses were cool) [14:47] Their new game Detroit looks great [14:47] Indigo Prophecy had a fun story, but gameplay is shit [14:47] Zack & Wiki seems like a kids game [14:47] looked at it but never got interested [14:48] it's incredibly funny and also incredibly difficult [14:48] Zack and Wiki is great [14:48] ok, I will put on my retirement list [14:48] the only thing I dislike about it is shaking the wii controller [14:48] it's also available on Wii U Virtual Console [14:49] m_kiewitz: cool, I didn't realize that [14:49] thanks to Nintendo backward compatibility [14:49] otherwise no one would have bothered [14:49] it was a commercial failure [14:51] L0ngcat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFE7b0eC60Y [14:51] I also loved Zack and Wiki [14:52] Looks very Manga [14:52] a bit har d to take seriously [14:52] probably shouldn't have sold it [14:52] originally I was turned off by the graphics too and i thought it would be crap. I was pleasantly surprised [14:52] crap/for little children [14:53] L0ngcat: it's a Japanese adventure game :P and as I said - especially the later levels are insanely difficult. And you die in all sorts of funny ways. [14:55] I hate dying :P Playing something twice is horrible *scurries back to the Witcher 3* [14:57] pretty often dying is your own fault :P [14:57] even Yahtzee liked it [14:57] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRMPJfberWc [14:58] and that guy from Australia likes almost nothing at all [15:00] ajax16384 (~User@ip33.net130.n37.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:04] That is because everything in Australia is censored :P [15:09] "Statistically, if you own a Wii, you are eight years old." lol [15:13] jammm (~jam@106.221.156.239) joined #scummvm. [15:14] jamm (~jam@unaffiliated/jamm) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:17] and i seriously doubt that anyway. Wii was a console for literally everyone. Up to 90 year old grandpas [15:41] I doubt many eight year olds have the money to buy a Wii [15:49] what's funny is that people keep on calling Nintendo kiddie etc., but Wii U eShop stats showed that the vast majority of Wii U customers are actually adults :P [15:50] TMM (~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:04] don't even get me started on Pokemon Go:P people around here are crazy. The stores are all out of e-juice chargers [16:05] but I never really got nintendo games. they are usually very childish. [16:25] uruk-hai (~Peter@catv-89-133-19-143.catv.broadband.hu) joined #scummvm. [16:25] #scummvm: mode change '+o uruk-hai' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:34] i think the word you are after is "family friendly". [16:34] or "lame". [16:34] :P [16:37] i wonder what constitutes childish or lame& [16:38] waltervn (~waltervn@82-171-142-149.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:43] |Cable| (~cable@111.156.165.83.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [16:50] GitHub93 (~GitHub93@192.30.252.40) joined #scummvm. [16:50] [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vK5ka [16:50] scummvm/master e19922d Eugene Sandulenko: FULLPIPE: Few fixes to the pathfinding code [16:50] GitHub93 (GitHub93@192.30.252.40) left #scummvm. [16:55] m_kiewitz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDOZbvE01Fk [16:57] |Cable| (~cable@111.156.165.83.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) joined #scummvm. [16:57] snover: probably no blood, swearing and violence [16:59] Henke37 (~Henrik@81-227-16-59-no133.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Quit: ERR_SHUTDOWN [17:01] snover (~Adium@unaffiliated/snover) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:02] snover (~Adium@unaffiliated/snover) joined #scummvm. [17:02] #scummvm: mode change '+o snover' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [17:02] Tedious platforming gameplay with no story depth. No, I find action games very childish. Like COD. The whole point is to kill other people. Then kill more people. It's like sports, pointless and boring [17:03] snover (~Adium@unaffiliated/snover) left irc: Client Quit [17:03] I'll give you Zelda for story depth, but it's still "family friendly" [17:04] It's all about the metroids! [17:06] ny00123 (~ny00123@89-138-103-178.bb.netvision.net.il) joined #scummvm. [17:07] Cruel` (~cruel@173-169-129-195.res.bhn.net) joined #scummvm. [17:18] L0ngcat: there are basically no video games with at least somewhat competent written stories nowadays. [17:19] and I don't really understand that anyway. If I wanted to watch a movie, I would well watch a movie. [17:19] there are only a few that were really well made - like for example the already mentioned Silent Hill 2. And then there is Killer7 on the Gamecube (and also on PS2, but w/ horrible loading times) [17:20] ajax16384 (~User@ip33.net130.n37.ru) joined #scummvm. [17:20] #scummvm: mode change '+o ajax16384' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [17:20] there is also Xenoblade Chronicles, which was made by a developer, that is fully owned by Nintendo. [17:21] And Last Story, also fully owned by Nintendo. Another RPG, with a good story. [17:24] Killer7 + Silent Hill 2 are the only ones that I know of, which are actually made for adults and that are really for adults only. [17:29] Killer7 is imo David Lynch-level [17:36] Fun fact: I've never seen a David Lynch movie [17:36] They are basically all on my list [17:36] But no, never seen one. [17:41] |Cable| (~cable@111.156.165.83.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:44] TMM (~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm) joined #scummvm. [17:46] Red Dead Redemption had a great story [17:46] and violence [17:47] Action: t0by googles and finds out Red Dead Redemption is not a Lynch movie [17:47] t0by: you should [17:47] I know, I know [17:47] But I can't seem to find a good moment [17:47] (Or the right company) [17:48] (In that I don't want to watch a dub, that is) [17:48] I love Twin Peeks [17:49] creepy and 90's cheesy [17:49] lost Highway and Mullholand Drive are good too [17:49] duly noted [17:49] thanks [17:50] :) [17:50] On an unrelated note, after having seen the Italian dub on TV countless times, I finally got around to watching the original English version of Excalibur. Every single line Nicol Williamson has is pure awesomeness. [17:51] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082348/?ref_=nv_sr_1 [17:51] this? [17:51] WooShell (~Markus@ipbcc0701d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #scummvm. [17:51] Sure. [17:51] super 80's [17:52] made in my birthyear :P [17:52] Nah. It has aged really well compared to all the Jim Henson fare from the era. [17:52] Labyrinth! [17:52] In fact I think Game Of Thrones is basically trying to replicate that feel. [17:52] Labyrinth, what a terrible movie. I love it. It sucks. [17:53] I especially enjoy David Bowie as Jareth. Terrible acting. [17:54] Fun fact: apparently Helen Mirren was cast opposite Nicol Williams because the director had heard, correctly, that she totally hated his guts. [17:54] You know, to spice things up. [17:54] meow =^.^= [17:54] Woof [17:55] t0by: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CqoHch6QzQ this was pretty bad [17:55] Let's not forget Ridley Scott's Legend. [17:55] brb [18:01] t0by: you should start. Now. [18:01] Tkachov_ (~Tkachov_@158.46.78.26) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:02] L0ngcat: Red Dead Redemption was rather aimed at teenagers though. Just like most of those games [18:02] it would fail against all sorts of movies [18:02] and it's primarily a shooter [18:03] oh right, Eternal Darkness is another Nintendo game that's surely not family friendly [18:04] that's quite a masterpiece [18:06] sure, but me and my friends my age play it for the story. And there is a vast variety of sidequests and prolonged main story compared to a movie. Completing puzzles and task ta advance the story makes you appreciate and live it more than you could with a regular movie. There is a difference between being a spectator and a participant. Quantic Dream games hav massive story variances and endings based on choice. I am playing the Witcher 3 now, three mon [18:06] I do not think it is fair to compare the two [18:06] completely different medium [18:07] what would you characterise as adult gameplay? [18:08] waltervn (~waltervn@82-171-142-149.ip.telfort.nl) joined #scummvm. [18:08] #scummvm: mode change '+o waltervn' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [18:09] girafe (~girafe@LFbn-1-8020-64.w90-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #scummvm. [18:11] who cares about adult vs. childish gameplay? just have fun [18:16] well, everyone makes a choice as to what games they choose to spend their time on, for whatever reason. this reason could be interesting. do you play every game out there? [18:17] but speaking to people who spend their time reverse engineering games as opposed to playing them, I might be speaking in vain [18:17] a certain C.S. Lewis quote comes to mind... :) [18:26] Friendship is unnecessary, like philosophy, like art... It has no survival value; rather it is one of those things that give value to survival. ? [18:27] m_kiewitz: I admit the Wii version looks better [18:32] L0ngcat: I actually played both Heavy Rain and that other game. Sure for Heavy Rain there were a few different endings, but your decisions didn't really matter for the most part [18:32] and for that other game your decisions basically did not matter at all. It's quite like those TellTale games, where the game basically fools you into thinking that it would matter but it doesn't [18:33] and I wasn't really talking about adult gameplay, but games made for adults only. [18:33] you can easily create a game rated M for "mature", but this won't make it mature content. It's just adding blood and gore and cursing almost all of the time. [18:34] NieR for example is another game that has a really well written story, well written characters and I guess the game isn't really for children/teenagers. It doesn't have gore for gore's sake [18:35] same for Killer7. That game has blood and such, but it's not blood for blood's sake [18:36] just take a look at Nintendo's Splatoon [18:36] nah, this one: "When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." [18:36] They could have easily made that an M-rated game. But they didn't, because it wouldn't have made sense. Instead they focused on making something original and creative and not another cover-based shooter, like all the other existing cover-based shooters out there [18:37] fydo: yes, that's what I also mean. Actual adults won't care in case their games don't have lots of blood etc. or not. [18:38] It's like saying that "The Evil Dead" movie is an adult movie, because it has gore and so on. It's not a terrible movie, but I wouldn't consider that an adult movie. It's actually quite childish with its gore and blood. [18:41] I still somewhat enjoy it. Still it's the same with Nintendo games. Those are really well made games for the most part. Should I care that they don't have swearing and blood and so on? [18:41] They tell me "the princess is in this castle, go rescue her". Thanks enough motivation, now start the game please. No silly cutscenes no QTEs, actual gameplay. Start now. [18:44] or well for example there is a movie called "Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain". Rated 6 and up. Is that family friendly? Probably [18:44] yeah, I admit they have Telltale likee mechanics. I regard this as the neanderthal in the evolution of AI gaming;) [18:45] But I love the movie regardless and the movie is not treating the audience as if it was dumb. [18:45] Donkey Kong Country Returns + Tropical Freeze games for example are probably one of the most difficult games I have ever played and they are tons of fun. That's what matters to me. [18:46] Too many dumbed down games nowdays that treat the player like a dumb child, while offering blood + gore and then calling itself mature. I have a problem with that. [18:47] Ok, so what about this. I love movies too. My favorite all time game is Grim Fandango. I once dreamt of making it into an animated movie. But in retrospect, I'm not sure I would have loved it as much, if it were just a movie. [18:47] I agree that there a too few intelligent games these days [18:48] I could never get GTA for instance, or Uncharted. One long cliffhanger [18:49] > what would you characterise as adult gameplay? [18:49] A: plumbers. [18:52] lol [18:52] if you really think about it, Super Mario Bros is probably one of the most violent games ever except for the blood [18:53] the manual of Super Mario Bros for NES says that all of the people from the mushroom kingdom were turned into bricks. [18:53] Which means Mario is killing thousands of people during the game. Also stealing coins. [18:53] snover (~Adium@unaffiliated/snover) joined #scummvm. [18:53] #scummvm: mode change '+o snover' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [18:53] yeah no not that kind of plumbers [18:57] L0ngcat: I have also a problem with the latest GTA games. GTA on PS2 was cartoon fun, like some sort of Tom & Jerry cartoon. I could get into that. But the new one try to be realistic, and then you get the problem with ludonarrative dissonance. [18:57] Where the oh so realistic story doesn't match with the gameplay. [18:57] you get a main character that tries to be oh so serious about 5 people, that he killed 10 years ago, and you got to that scene after killing around 50 people in game. [18:58] You should probably try Spec Ops: The Line [18:58] but don't read much up on it [18:58] just trust me, it's not some dumb shooter [18:58] m_kiewitz: Also, MadWorld on Wii, which I think was a follow-up of Killer7? [18:59] GTA1 & 2 were enormous, mindless, silly fun. [18:59] "Elvis haaaaas left the building!" [18:59] not really a follow-up, MadWorld was made by Platinum games. And the creator of Killer7 went to that (independent) studio [18:59] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9nF43JZVEs [18:59] great game. [18:59] good times. [18:59] MadWorld is basically mindless violent fun, I bought it finally this year haven't tried it [18:59] oh maybe I was thinking of No More Heroes [19:00] that was made by that creator, but it's nothing like Killer7 [19:00] its been a while [19:00] im just trying to think up the ultraviolent Wii games :) [19:00] No More Heroes is quite nice though, but it is only ultra-violent in the US [19:00] Europe + Japan got black blood / no blood at all [19:01] still I would consider that also a typical teenager game. I enjoyed it though. [19:01] killer7 is really something special, it flopped horribly commercially, but I wasn't surprised by that. [19:03] oh, manhunt 2 was released on wii too [19:03] It's basically like making a higher budget David Lynch movie and then wondering why it fails commercially [19:03] aww. david lynch makes such good stuff though. [19:03] yeah, but horribly censored (all versions were except maybe PC?) [19:03] I imported Manhunt 2 from US, because it took ages to get released in Europe, was hoping for something even better than Manhunt 1 on PS2 [19:04] instead it doesn't reach the first one at all [19:04] Manhunt 1 on PS2 had an insane atmoshphere, really tense and that game had no problem with luronarrative dissonance. Your character was basically the "hero" of the game despite gruesome killings [19:05] Manhunt 2 failed at that [19:05] But another M-rated game was House of the Dead: Overkill [19:05] i think we can all agree the best of the Dead game is Typing of the Dead [19:06] that's really fun as well [19:06] Overkill managed to put 189 F-bombs into the game, lol [19:06] i think it has the world record on that [19:06] and I even think there is also a Typing of the Dead version on Steam [19:06] it was ported later to PC and I think PS3, 360?! [19:06] i hope so [19:07] Overkill is primarily meant for fans of grindhouse + camp. I love those, so it was a perfect match [19:14] criezy (~criezy@host86-175-210-91.range86-175.btcentralplus.com) joined #scummvm. [19:14] #scummvm: mode change '+o criezy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:17] t0by: Plumbers with Ties ?;) Now THAT is a childish game [19:25] jammm (~jam@106.221.156.239) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:25] jamm (~jam@unaffiliated/jamm) joined #scummvm. [19:27] L0ngcat: everybody knows that plumbers *don't* wear ties! [19:28] criezy: Once again, I admit to my human faults [19:29] Action: L0ngcat is eating fiskegrateng. I wonder if anyone else has this in their country and what it is called? [19:30] fish pie? [19:36] |Cable| (~cable@111.156.165.83.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com) joined #scummvm. [19:39] is there a gsoc repository for director anywhere? [19:39] uruk-hai (~Peter@catv-89-133-19-143.catv.broadband.hu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:41] I think _sev created a pull request for it recently [19:41] yes, https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm/pull/787 [19:43] WinterGrascph (~WinterGra@87.97.26.126.pool.invitel.hu) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:46] if you guys quit doing so much work so quickly so that its done before i get to it, id love to work on director later :) [19:47] <_sev> snover: noted [19:52] wjp: wov. looks good! i never thought JMP would get re'd [19:53] snover: Please finish SCI32 first ;) [19:53] L0ngcat: working on it! [19:53] snover: <<<3 [19:54] if i can finally figure out how to render robot audio 100% accurately then you will actually be able to play phantasmagoria [19:54] what percentage state do you estimate support to be at? [19:54] it is also a missing feature for some of sq6 animation sequences [19:54] oh yes, I was going to instrument dosbox a bit for that [19:54] kool [19:55] still some time left tonight I suppose [19:55] those games were always super buggy [19:55] im working on transitions at the moment because i felt burnt out working really hard on robot for a couple of weeks [19:55] as far as i can tell there is one scene in sq6 that uses a transition other than fade in/out which is already implemented [19:56] its surprisingly hard to find where transitions are used because it is pretty indirect [19:56] as far as I can tell at the moment, only fade in/out, iris in/out, and pixel dissolve are transitions that are used by games [19:56] even though there are 16 transitions in total [20:07] ajax16384 (~User@ip33.net130.n37.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:09] Cruel` (~cruel@173-169-129-195.res.bhn.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:21] [20:22] i agree [20:22] yes, and very succintly put too [20:29] WinterGrascph (~WinterGra@catv-178-48-146-216.catv.broadband.hu) joined #scummvm. 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