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[18:22] ST (~ScottT@ppp118-210-225-233.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:27] anyone want King's Quest 5 FM Towns? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KINGS-QUEST-V-5-FM-Towns-Marty-Jp-Japan-Jpn-Very-Rare-/251731059479 [18:29] m_kiewitz: Not anywhere near that badly. [18:29] :P [18:29] I'm surprised at the floppy. I thought the FM Towns was CD only. [18:30] Sad thing, though, that's not even his most expensive FM Towns game. [18:30] I got it for 1/4 that price, iirc [18:31] droid: how? you got lucky? [18:31] eBay [18:31] so lucky... [18:32] are those CDs readable on a PC? [18:32] Nah, I used a magnifying glass and read off the bits ;) [18:33] i meant do they use some standard file system or something special? simply ISO-9660? [18:35] m_kiewitz: The FM Towns version of Loom seems to use ISO 9660 at any rate. (At least, that's what Linux says it mounted it as.) 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[20:12] TMM (~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [20:14] D0SFreak (~D0SFreak@adsl-98-93-243-250.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [20:18] Strangerke: hell yeah :P [20:39] GitHub167 (~GitHub167@192.30.252.45) joined #scummvm. [20:39] [scummvm] skristiansson opened pull request #536: BACKENDS: Add zip filesystem node (master...pr/zip-fs) http://git.io/VspWfA [20:39] GitHub167 (GitHub167@192.30.252.45) left #scummvm. [20:41] ... uh oh [20:45] heh. [20:45] so I guess that will be a reject [20:45] it's a rather good argument in favour of it though [20:46] so I don't know [20:46] yes, but it kind of leads directly to exactly what we've been avoiding [20:46] iqltsx (~jappi@dslb-088-075-172-051.088.075.pools.vodafone-ip.de) left irc: [20:46] yup... [20:47] D0SFreak (~D0SFreak@adsl-68-210-6-90.owb.bellsouth.net) joined #scummvm. [20:48] Wishmaster (Wishmaster@dslb-084-060-097-224.084.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de) left irc: Quit: „Wahrlich, keiner ist weise, der nicht das Dunkel kennt.“ (Hermann Hesse) [20:48] yeah, I *did* read the FAQ entry about zip archives before writing that patch... but as you say, my reasons are quite special [20:48] yes, we'll have to discuss it [20:49] edheldil_ (~edheldil@ip-78-45-160-121.net.upcbroadband.cz) joined #scummvm. [20:50] salty-horse (~ori@bzq-79-177-36-150.red.bezeqint.net) joined #scummvm. [20:50] #scummvm: mode change '+o salty-horse' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:51] I don't know anything about WP8.1 [20:51] but you can't read arbitrary files from anywhere, not even under AppData or similar? [20:51] (a quick google does seem to imply this is true, so the only way to read arbitrary files is one-by-one using the system file picker) [20:51] ...and I took that into account when I designed it, so that you have to explicitly enable it per fs-backend [20:52] right, but then you'll presumably enable it on WP8.1.. :) [20:52] unfortunately I think it's totally a lost battle now anyway [20:52] I mean, on our part [20:52] you can read data from the "Installed location" (or whatever it's called), but that means that you have to bundle the data with the app [20:53] yes, I mean the appdata on the sd card [20:54] that *might* be possible, but afaik, the appdata is encrypted (but admitedly, I haven't fully investigated this) [20:54] yes, but you can encrypt it yourself [20:54] so one (terrible) alternative would presumably be to allow transfers somehow [20:55] there are also some practical objections here [20:55] like, performance is likely to be *terrible* with this implementation [20:56] or, I guess on a phone, it might simply not work [20:56] since you can't dive into swap I assume [20:57] so if ZipArchive just reads huge files into memory then doom [20:57] I agree that it's not ideal from a practical stand point, especially since the whole files are read into memory [20:57] so in that sense it needs more thought.. [20:58] you could adapt the code to open new streams+substreams for uncompressed files maybe [20:58] hi anyway, and good to hear of a wp8.1 port.. :) [21:01] yeah, it's been long due ;) [21:01] I've got one of them, not by own choice though... [21:02] Wishmaster (Wishmaster@dslb-084-060-097-224.084.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de) joined #scummvm. [21:14] Out of curiosity, how does not having support for zip archives prevent piracy? [21:15] that's a straw man question :) [21:15] It's not like manually extracting an archive is so difficult that people who'd otherwise pirate games would instead buy them just to avoid doing it. [21:16] sure, so it's a good thing no-one claims it prevents piracy :-p [21:18] SugarCube (~servus@2605:e000:850e:e00:884:9061:efde:f7c7) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:19] Okay, I'll rephrase. [21:19] SugarCube (~servus@2605:e000:850e:e00:884:9061:efde:f7c7) joined #scummvm. [21:20] What is the rationale behind the argument that ScummVM not having support for zip archive will lead to less piracy? [21:20] *archives [21:22] also not anything anyone claims [21:30] edheldil_ (~edheldil@ip-78-45-160-121.net.upcbroadband.cz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:33] frankyboy_ (~franky@195.9.73.84) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:33] Quatroking (~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:35] Quatroking (~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) joined #scummvm. [21:44] _marc` (~marc@p20030046082A2FFE5C1084B8D5F0AF95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: _marc` [21:50] Wishmaster (Wishmaster@dslb-084-060-097-224.084.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de) left irc: Quit: „Wahrlich, keiner ist weise, der nicht das Dunkel kennt.“ (Hermann Hesse) [21:54] Strangerke: Wait, what? [22:00] don't a lot of games already have their resources compressed? double-compression seems wasteful [22:00] zip can store data uncompressed [22:02] D0SFreak (~D0SFreak@adsl-68-210-6-90.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:27] salty-horse (~ori@bzq-79-177-36-150.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:28] Ramal (~dennis@2.65.26.132.mobile.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [22:28] D0SFreak (~D0SFreak@adsl-98-93-239-79.owb.bellsouth.net) joined #scummvm. [22:28] ny00123 (~ny00123@109.66.57.169) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:29] DOSFreak (~D0SFreak@adsl-98-93-239-79.owb.bellsouth.net) joined #scummvm. [22:33] D0SFreak (~D0SFreak@adsl-98-93-239-79.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:39] Jon_God (~jon_god@2601:9:6700:4d9:3e07:54ff:fe26:6d61) joined #scummvm. [22:39] Ramal (~dennis@2.64.10.126.mobile.tre.se) joined #scummvm. 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[23:50] yeah, new crazy concurrent ones [23:50] I can see the badness now [00:00] --- Wed Nov 26 2014