ScummVM IRC Log - 23 Jun 2017

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[00:02] <snover> lets just pretend that the PR makes everything perfect until the end of time :)
[00:02] <snover> though i suppose you might be able to reproduce that by leaning on the hotkey for switching between fullscreen and windowed modes for a while
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[00:52] <GitHub122> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vQq8d
[00:52] <GitHub122> scummvm/master 4c15303 Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Implement German parser preprocessing
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[01:18] <GitHub45> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vQqB1
[01:18] <GitHub45> scummvm/master 8792bd1 Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Fix entering correct elevator in Bottom of Well
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[01:41] <GitHub145> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vQqRo
[01:41] <GitHub145> scummvm/master 925c5f2 Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Fixes to destinations when exiting the lifts
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[01:44] <snover> dreammaster: if you get tired of programming it sounds like you have a promising future career in elevator repair :)
[01:52] <dreammaster> You mean "Happy Vertical People Transporters" :)
[01:55] <snover> awh, man. youre right.
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[05:59] <t0by> Aaaargh
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[08:15] <Simei> Morning
[08:17] <Joefish_> morning Simei
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[08:18] <Simei> :)
[08:20] <criezy> Good morning
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[08:44] <t0by> Simei: morning, I'm answering your email soon
[08:45] <Simei> t0by, Ok, thanks, take your time. :)
[08:53] <t0by> _sev_ beat me on time.
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[09:17] <t0by> _sev_, Simei: I assume we probably want to use the existing MIDI drivers to play MOD (and other tracker formats). This is in the public domain and might be of inspiration for transcoding those into midi events: https://github.com/Konstanty/libmodplug/
[09:18] <t0by> For the (not-to-immediate) future.
[09:18] <t0by> *not too
[09:25] <criezy|Work> t0by: you are aware I suppose that we do have support for playing MOD already in ScummVM?
[09:27] <t0by> s/mod/xm/
[09:27] <t0by> sorry
[09:28] <t0by> libmodplug does s3m and xm as well, despite the name
[09:29] <t0by> What that stuff does is parsing files, generating an intermediate representation and optionally writing them back, allowing, in theory, to transcode every format supported to every other.
[09:32] <criezy|Work> Hmm interesting.
[09:33] <criezy|Work> On a slightly related note we were discussing last week whether to transcode the custom format used by Mission Supernova to MOD or implement a custom player for it.
[09:33] <t0by> "slightly"?
[09:34] <t0by> What did you decide in the end?
[09:35] <criezy|Work> This might not be the final decision, but we will probably go with trenscoding initially since this is the easier option.
[09:35] <criezy|Work> And the code is already there in my fork.
[09:36] <t0by> I wonder if it would be completelly useless to gather all these sorts of things in a common architecture - if necessary, by stealing libmodplug code wholesale and adding a new driver.
[09:37] <criezy|Work> The format used by Mission Supernova is very close to MOD, so we were just thinking or making the small changes needed on the fly in the stream.
[09:38] <criezy|Work> But I will have a look at libmodplug to see how it operates.
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[10:10] <mkiewitz|work> snover: are you available?
[10:11] <mkiewitz|work> the spanish seller also got hands on "Sherlock Holmes: Rose Tattoo" (relevant for maybe dreammaster and me)
[10:11] <t0by> Even if he was, I don't think he would date a wookie.
[10:11] <mkiewitz|work> but he also got King's Quest 6 Spanish. Do you own that one? Probably not I guess
[10:12] <mkiewitz|work> t0by: ... :p
[10:14] <_sev|work> criezy|Work: but don't we have MOD players already?
[10:14] <_sev|work> criezy|Work: e.g. maybe it is easier to take a look into our code?
[10:15] <_sev|work> t0by: XM and S3M are just extensions of MOD. I'd look into a way of extending/modifying/superclassing our code
[10:15] <_sev|work> t0by: and yes, it makes sense to look into libmodplug or modplay
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[10:19] <criezy|Work> _sev|work: Yes we do.
[10:19] <criezy|Work> This is what I wrote: "9:26 t0by: you are aware I suppose that we do have support for playing MOD already in ScummVM?" :P
[10:19] <criezy|Work> And I looked at it already.
[10:20] <criezy|Work> That's what we are planning to use for Mission Supernova.
[10:21] <criezy|Work> The question that t0by raised was about transcoding since the format we have is not exactly MOD, and is is interested in xm and s3m.
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[10:22] <t0by> _sev|work, or extending/modifying/superclassing, sure. I don't know how close they are to each other, I'll have to investigate, sorry.
[10:23] <t0by> If it's feasible, it's much less hairy.
[10:24] <t0by> (As a - former - amateur musician I know MIDI and SMF inside and out, but those tracker formats are still completely alien to me)
[10:25] <criezy|Work> Superclassing our code for Mission Supernova is not going to be super easy since we would need to superclass the Module class, while the ProTrackerStream could be used as it otherwise.
[10:25] <criezy|Work> And our code was not really designed to superclass Module itself.
[10:26] <criezy|Work> Which is why I was thinking of using the ProTrackerStream as is, but give it a custom stream that converts on the fly our custom format to the usual protracker format.
[10:28] <_sev|work> criezy|Work: right
[10:29] <t0by> Horse poop, XM supports embedding of samples?
[10:29] <_sev|work> t0by: all of them do, even MOD
[10:29] <t0by> I take it back, it's not a conceptually easy implementative chore, it's a nightmare.
[10:29] <_sev|work> t0by: they're all about samples
[10:32] <t0by> I'm sorry, this... er, tiny detail escaped me.
[10:33] <t0by> I thought the information encoded was essentially events, like SMF.
[10:33] <t0by> Then yes, the elephant in the room is an elephant indeed.
[10:34] <logix> t0by: tracker formats const of a number of tables, each table has 64(?) entries ("time steps") and each time step has N channels (original .MOD: N=4, others usually more)
[10:34] <t0by> Or at least a moderately-sized cow
[10:34] <t0by> logix, that's essentially on par with SMF so far
[10:35] <t0by> (except that yada yada quantization)
[10:35] <t0by> it's the sample part that...
[10:35] <logix> for each timestep/channel you can have an event - the most common one is "play sample X at speed/pitch Y"
[10:35] <logix> no event = just continue playing the current sample
[10:35] <t0by> Same as SMF, except that you have NOTE_ON, NOTE_OFF
[10:35] <t0by> and well, midi events in general.
[10:36] <logix> and samples are raw amplitude curves - I think there are formats that support things like mp3 samples too, not sure
[10:36] <logix> so right, quantized events + your own audio samples, that covers most of it already
[10:39] <t0by> logix: thanks.
[10:40] <logix> being able to add your own samples allowed people to create mod versions of "real songs" like http://artscene.textfiles.com/music/mods/MODS/T/t_struck.mod
[10:40] <logix> which wasn't possible with .sid on the c64
[10:42] <t0by> And I thought Paula just had a really good wavetable.
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[14:12] <m_kiewitz> anyone looking for "the Avengers (Assemble)" steelbook (which is OOP for quite a while and goes for 140+ EUR on ebay)?
[14:12] <m_kiewitz> there is a 3rd party seller on amazon, who sells it for 30 EUR only
[14:13] <m_kiewitz> but only a few left
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[18:24] <t0by> wjp: I'm sorry, re:you comment I was planning on hitting Github's "squash and merge" button, does it come with some sort of caveat that you mentioned squashing specifically?
[18:32] <wjp> Don't know
[18:32] <wjp> If that works, then fine
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[18:38] <t0by> Let me try on a throwaway repo...
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[19:04] <criezy> t0by: I used the Github "squash & merge" option a few times on simple changes where I knew there would be no conflict. I never had any issue.
[19:04] <criezy> Since nobody made any change to create_project recently, you should be fine.
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[19:32] <Lightkey> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/paradigm-probably-the-strangest-game-ive-ever-played-is-now-on-linux.9886 w00t!
[19:50] <t0by> > The humour in Paradigm won't be to everyone's tastes of course. A box-collecting drug addict offering blow jobs?
[19:50] Action: t0by o_O
[19:50] <t0by> Even worse:
[19:50] <t0by> > The scene about a child wanting to be an "artist" made me laugh too, especially the bit about the special latte, an amusing piss-take of current trends with people drinking their fancy named coffees.
[19:51] <t0by> Black, please. No sugar.
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[19:53] <t0by> criezy, neat, thanks, you saved me the hassle of setting up a clone as guinea pig
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[19:56] <logix> is that a coffee?
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[20:28] <Lightkey> https://twitter.com/ATMcashpoint/status/878049362953158657 wat?
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[20:46] <logix> something about the poodles perhaps?
[20:46] <logix> I think that tweet is more a joke, but the poodles are the only connection I can think of
[20:59] <snover> Lightkey: that looks amazing.
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[23:35] <Strangerke> hi guys
[23:36] <Joefish> hey Strangerke
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