ScummVM IRC Log - 20 Jul 2016

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[00:02] <Flexman> so trying gold rush now :)
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[06:47] <waltervn> morning
[06:47] <waltervn> 33C today... bah
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[07:30] <borosky> 22'C and sunny, pretty decent weather
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[08:15] <uruk-hai> hey team! why don't we set up a webhook on github that would check the formatting of code in every merge request? now it seems like every second comment on every pull request is about missing spaces or bad indentation or something like this
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[09:27] <t0by> huh
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[09:33] <m_kiewitz> has anyone seen "Gone Baby Gone"?
[09:34] <t0by> ...
[09:34] <t0by> stupid bot
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[09:39] <rootfather> rofl
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[09:39] <GitHub125> [scummvm] rootfather pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKKSk
[09:39] <GitHub125> scummvm/master 7bc91d4 Lothar Serra Mari: NEWS: Add MM V0 improvements by segrax
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[09:50] <rootfather> uruk-hai are those webhooks powerful enough to cover our entire code formatting guidelines?
[09:51] <rootfather> if so, I think this would be a huge improvement
[09:51] <rootfather> speaking as a non-developer of course.
[10:05] <uruk_hai> we can put actually anythin behind a webhook, so i am sure we can set up something that's good enough. i'll look into it when i have some time
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[11:04] <m_kiewitz> bgK: What exactly does Shift-$ do on your keyboard? Return "*" I guess?
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[11:14] <m_kiewitz> what a mess
[11:15] <m_kiewitz> would it work better in case the check would be "if (unicode > 0xFF)" ?
[11:17] <bgK> I can't test right now, but it would be IMO "theoretically correct"; non 8 bit characters being ignored
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[11:19] <bgK> wait, no, that's IMO still not correct because in that case the keycode is returned, which makes no sense
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[12:21] <wjp> morning
[12:21] <snover> hello
[12:28] <m_kiewitz> bgK: well then we can't return anything at all, because unicode is definitely incorrect on MacOS
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[12:41] <bgK> m_kiewitz: I don't agree, the value un unicode is correct on macOS. I just happen to be a value we can't exploit because we only support 8-bits characters
[12:41] <bgK> *in
[12:41] <bgK> *It
[12:41] <m_kiewitz> wait what? Alt-X for example does definitely not return the code that we expect
[12:42] <m_kiewitz> you may of course argue that for the platform it's "correct", but then you simply can not bypass the Larry 1 age check because of this "feature"
[12:43] <m_kiewitz> We should internally pass the same key to the engines that effectively make sense, which means for Alt-X, we should pass "x" and not something else
[12:43] <bgK> that is what keycode is for
[12:43] <m_kiewitz> and what is passed should be the same at least for those shortcuts on every platform
[12:44] <m_kiewitz> we can't use the keycode all the time, simply because the keycode is not mapped accordingly under SDL1
[12:44] <m_kiewitz> which means on certain keyboards, we would then pass Alt-y, although the user pressed Alt-z
[12:44] <bgK> that is what #782 is for ;)
[12:45] <m_kiewitz> have you checked all other platforms, that use SDL?
[12:47] <bgK> I only checked Windows, Linux and OSX (and I wrote the SDL2 keyboard driver for the PS3, which is also correct)
[12:47] <m_kiewitz> and I don't really like the current hack approach anyway, it would really be way cleaner to simply do all the keyboard processing by ourselves
[12:47] <m_kiewitz> sure, thats quite some work, but then it would simply work. SDL is so broken
[12:48] <m_kiewitz> and we really shouldn't pass anything in .unicode in that case
[12:48] <m_kiewitz> the engines shouldn't get all sorts of platform specific stuff
[12:48] <m_kiewitz> and well in case SDL worked properly, then that would already not be the case
[12:49] <bgK> yes, to me the "correct" implementation for the mapKey function is "return unicode > 0xFF ? 0 : unicode;"
[12:50] <m_kiewitz> i think we should really check all sorts of platforms
[12:50] <m_kiewitz> and how does it even work on PS3? Is there a way to set it to use all sorts of layouts?
[12:51] <m_kiewitz> with SDL it's such a mess, we got so many hacks already in the code. And there are still differences between platforms
[12:51] <bgK> yes, on the PS3 you can choose the keyboard layout in the settings
[12:57] <m_kiewitz> and well, when we return .unicode = 0 for alt-X on macOs, then that will break stuff
[12:57] <m_kiewitz> which means I would have to change SCI + AGI keyboard processing (probably even more engines will have problems with that)
[12:58] <m_kiewitz> and those changes could cause even more issues on other platforms in case keycode is not correct
[12:58] <m_kiewitz> well "correct"
[13:00] <m_kiewitz> which wouldn't be real surprising considering the state of SDL
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[14:26] <wjp> hm, the platform selection popup menu in game options appears a bit broken when trying to use the mouse
[14:49] <m_kiewitz> wjp: yup
[14:49] <m_kiewitz> i'm able to mark the platforms on the right side, by moving the mouse further to the left of the platform listing
[14:49] <m_kiewitz> but that only works for selecting "Windows" o_O
[14:50] <m_kiewitz> ah, it seems when the mouse is outside of the listing, then it selects "Windows"
[14:50] <m_kiewitz> And FM-Towns is selected when moving to the lower right of the listing o_O
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[15:31] <_sev_> Tkachov: here?
[15:31] <Tkachov> yep
[15:36] <_sev_> Tkachov: that seems to be a regression
[15:37] <Tkachov> I'm not sure that's because of the clipping, but I'll check it out
[15:44] <_sev_> ok, the tests show that it was before your changes
[15:44] <_sev_> I'll take a look by myself tonight then
[15:48] <m_kiewitz> _sev_: but hopefully 1.8/1.8.1 was not affected?!
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[16:37] <DrMcCoy> Anybody familiar with the Drascula engine? _sev_?
[16:37] <DrMcCoy> https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm/blob/master/engines/drascula/animation.cpp#L130
[16:37] <DrMcCoy> That if isn't inside the scope of the for in line 119 (no curly braces), despite being indented as such
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[16:42] <DrMcCoy> Similar thing in AGOS, but there it's clear how it should be
[16:42] <DrMcCoy> -Wmisleading-indentation in GCC 6 is useful
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[16:42] <GitHub192> [scummvm] DrMcCoy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vK6yj
[16:42] <GitHub192> scummvm/master 8546eca Sven Hesse: AGOS: Fix wrongly indented debugC() statement...
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[16:43] <DrMcCoy> Same thing in engines/gnap/scenes/group4.cpp:2694. I'll see what else appears and open bug reports
[16:47] <snover> you know, another thing that helps, is not omitting {}&
[16:48] <DrMcCoy> If you personally think you're not attentive enough, sure, don't omit them
[16:49] <snover> what is the benefit? save 2 keystrokes?
[16:49] <DrMcCoy> In my eyes, it makes the code far more readable
[16:54] <snover> i think cant speak to ones sense of subjective beauty :)
[16:54] <wjp> I prefer without {} as well. Too much 'stuff' around the code just slows down the speed at which I can scan through code
[16:55] <wjp> (also why I often prefer shorter variable/function names over longer ones)
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[16:57] <DrMcCoy> Yeah, that one's a bit more difficult IMHO. Needs to make sense, give the person reading an idea of what it's for
[16:57] <DrMcCoy> But shouldn't grow comically huge like GTK's function names
[16:58] <DrMcCoy> gtk_tree_view_column_new_with_attributes
[17:03] <snover> ive just never seen omitting braces prevent a bug, whereas i have seen it cause some nasty ones, like https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/02/24/anatomy-of-a-goto-fail-apples-ssl-bug-explained-plus-an-unofficial-patch/
[17:05] <snover> and, yeah, im definitely not attentive enough :)
[17:06] <DrMcCoy> Me, I never had that pose any problems. Sure, I know, that doesn't mean it'll never happen
[17:07] <DrMcCoy> I had for more issues with copy-pasting a line and not correctly replacing the bits I meants to replace
[17:07] <snover> there are all sorts of footguns in programming :)
[17:07] <DrMcCoy> I heard people advocate for never copy-pasting, always typing everything out
[17:07] <DrMcCoy> But I'm sure as hell not going to do that, because that's going to get annoying very fast
[17:08] <snover> copy-pasting, operator precedence, shadowed variables&
[17:08] <snover> all the millions of other things compilers and static analysis tools complain about&
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[17:08] <DrMcCoy> Yeah, I always compile with -Wshadow and rename the bits that get flagged
[17:09] <DrMcCoy> And I tend to over-use () in if conditions partially because of operator precedence. And I think it makes it more readable anyway
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[17:13] <t0by> > copy-pasting a line and not correctly replacing the bits I meants to replace
[17:13] <t0by> guess the reason i've spent the last 4 hours crying
[17:14] <t0by> in haskell, though. more fun.
[17:17] <DrMcCoy> The indenting in wage's macwindowmanager.cpp is completely off, with spaces instead of tabs everywhere. A few lines in world.cpp, macwindow.cpp and gui.cpp too
[17:18] <WooShell> meow =^.^=
[17:19] <snover> choosing the best variable names is the biggest problem for me. its often difficult to find a name that is appropriately specific without being needlessly verbose
[17:22] <DrMcCoy> Ugh, I hate the sourceforge bug tracker
[17:22] <DrMcCoy> Their edit box hijacks mouse middle click, so I can't middle-click-paste in it
[17:24] <m_kiewitz> snover: I see the { } thingie the same as you
[17:24] <m_kiewitz> i also always add those to avoid any bugs
[17:27] <DrMcCoy> Narg
[17:27] <DrMcCoy> Narf*
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[17:28] <DrMcCoy> I like how that bullet point thing adds "*", but then those get interpreted as italics
[17:28] <snover> see, you could have avoided that typo if you only put braces arounoh
[17:28] <snover> :)
[17:32] <DrMcCoy> This is...unorthodox: https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm/commit/ea0fb987 :/
[17:34] <DrMcCoy> Any call on a null pointer is already Undefined Behaviour
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[18:13] <GitHub174> [scummvm] criezy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKivU
[18:13] <GitHub174> scummvm/master 8380023 Thierry Crozat: CREDITS: Add myself as developer for the drascula engine...
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[18:14] <GitHub188> [scummvm-web] criezy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKivn
[18:14] <GitHub188> scummvm-web/master 657889b Thierry Crozat: WEB: Sync credits
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[18:14] <criezy> Oh, I just realized I wrote 'good evening' in the wrong window :P
[18:14] <criezy> So let's do it again: good evening!
[18:15] <fuzzie> g'evening

[18:17] <criezy> fuzzie: did you see the comments on the Android version in the Play Store having only English language?
[18:19] <fuzzie> hm
[18:21] <fuzzie> interesting
[18:25] <fuzzie> builds do have the translations.dat
[18:25] <fuzzie> seems that the translation manager is a singleton which does setup in the constructor though..
[18:25] <fuzzie> that could go wrong in so many ways
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[18:32] <m_kiewitz> snover: your keyboard has a regular left-Alt and right-Alt, correct?
[18:32] <m_kiewitz> and no AltGr, I guess?
[18:32] <snover> m_kiewitz: yes, thats correct
[18:33] <snover> fn, control, alt/option, command, space bar, command, alt/option
[18:33] <m_kiewitz> what does Windows/Linux do in that case? Treat right-Alt as just another Alt or as Altgr?
[18:33] <snover> just another alt
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[18:33] <m_kiewitz> For example when I press AltGr-E I get the EUR symbol, when I press Alt-E I get well Alt-E, so no EUR symbol
[18:33] <m_kiewitz> ok
[18:34] <m_kiewitz> thanks
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[18:44] <criezy> Fun! Alt-E gives me a different accentuated character on my two compters (e with a circonflex accent on one, and e with an acute accent on the other).
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[18:44] <criezy> Now I remember why I don't like to write in French!
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[18:49] <m_kiewitz> criezy: don't look into how keyboards work. I guess 10% of all patients in mental asylums are keyboard driver programmers :P
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[18:51] <criezy> I would not be surprised if another 10% are French programmers using those keyboards :P
[18:51] <criezy> I still don't know if I can get a # with less than three keystroke on my keyboard.
[18:52] <m_kiewitz> snover: can you check if DOS-Box behaves the same for Left-Alt-something and Right-Alt-something shortcuts?
[18:53] <m_kiewitz> because I just noticed that DOS-Box gives me a @ for AltGr-q, but for Alt-Q it doesn't give me '@' too
[18:53] <m_kiewitz> scummVM on the other hand gives me '@' for both
[18:53] <snover> i can try& i have a keymapper that remaps the right-alt to forward-delete so i need to remember how to turn that off
[18:54] <m_kiewitz> what's funny is that Windows itself gives me '@' for both but DOS games shouldn't get the same because DOS didn't give out the same
[18:54] <snover> m_kiewitz: do you have some test program i should try it with?
[18:54] <m_kiewitz> sadly I don't.
[18:55] <m_kiewitz> Are there any special keys on your keyboard (Alt-shortcuts) for special characters?
[18:55] <m_kiewitz> I had a DOS-program which returned the ascii code that DOS itself returned, but I don't have it on this machine
[18:55] <m_kiewitz> would have to look on an older notebook
[18:58] <snover> i tried dosbox keymapper, every key is activated immediately it seems
[19:00] <snover> dosbox has its own separate thing for keyboard layouts http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/KEYB
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[19:01] <m_kiewitz> hmm, ok that makes sense then.
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[19:19] <GitHub128> [scummvm] criezy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKiOl
[19:19] <GitHub128> scummvm/master abb33e5 Thierry Crozat: DRASCULA: Fix slight delay when interrupting intro animation...
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[19:56] <GitHub74> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKick
[19:56] <GitHub74> scummvm/master 46aadaa Eugene Sandulenko: FULLPIPE: Some renames in MovGraphLink
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[19:59] <GitHub159> [scummvm] DrMcCoy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKicr
[19:59] <GitHub159> scummvm/master aca13f7 Sven Hesse: GOB: Work around broken resource sizes in Gobliiins EGA...
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[20:11] <GitHub86> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vKiWr
[20:11] <GitHub86> scummvm/master a2e4157 Eugene Sandulenko: JANITORIAL: Fix indentation
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[20:13] <DrMcCoy> _sev: you missed macwindowmanager.cpp :P
[20:14] <_sev> oh
[20:14] <snover> nobody is ever satisfied with the janitor. :(
[20:16] <criezy> _sev, did you see the PR to fix a type in the Russian translation of the FAQ on the web site?
[20:16] <criezy> https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm-web/pull/58
[20:16] <criezy> *typo
[20:18] <_sev> DrMcCoy: done
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[20:18] <GitHub101> scummvm/master 9d2a357 Eugene Sandulenko: JANITORIAL: Indentation fixes
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[20:19] <GitHub116> [scummvm-web] sev- closed pull request #58: Fix typo (master...typo-fix) https://git.io/voKBS
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[20:19] <GitHub29> [scummvm-web] sev- pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vKili
[20:19] <GitHub29> scummvm-web/master 58cbd66 Dmitry Marakasov: WEB/RU: Fix typo in FAQ
[20:19] <GitHub29> scummvm-web/master 307c38b Eugene Sandulenko: Merge pull request #58 from AMDmi3/typo-fix...
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[20:19] <_sev> criezy: thanks for reminding
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[23:34] <GitHub27> scummvm/master d8fec87 Paul Gilbert: MADS: Fix incorrect indentation
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