ScummVM IRC Log - 16 Aug 2016

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[01:10] <GitHub188> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v6acp
[01:10] <GitHub188> scummvm/master 24aeebc Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Implemented CBomb class
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[01:32] <GitHub149> scummvm/master 7234f07 Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Implemented CBottomOfWellMonitor class
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[02:31] <GitHub50> scummvm/master 33e4afe Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Implemented CHeadPiece and ear classes
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[02:48] <GitHub62> scummvm/master a4885b1 Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Implemented CBowlUnlocker class
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[03:51] <GitHub124> scummvm/master 87d9b66 Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Implemented CBrainSlot class
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[08:14] <m_kiewitz> GOG is giving "Warsow" away for free
[08:14] <m_kiewitz> https://www.gog.com/game/warsow
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[08:30] <blorente> Morning everybody
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[08:38] <t0by> hey.
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[08:41] <waltervn> morning
[08:42] <t0by> o/
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[09:07] <GitHub134> [scummvm] JenniBee opened pull request #808: WINTERMUTE: Add detection for Dreamcat (master...master) https://git.io/v6a97
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[09:15] <t0by> wee.
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[09:28] <Strangerke|work> Dreamcat. The hidden child of L0ngcat and Dreammaster...
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[09:31] <m_kiewitz> Strangerke|work: lol, nice
[09:31] <m_kiewitz> i can't even find any game called Dreamcat?! o_O
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[09:48] <_sev|work> m_kiewitz: https://jennibee.itch.io/dreamcat
[09:48] <m_kiewitz> ah
[09:48] <m_kiewitz> thx
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[09:59] <t0by> That's... awesome.
[09:59] <t0by> People are actually targetting ScummVM
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[10:55] Action: t0by needs to fix those PRS
[10:55] Action: t0by wishes he had free time of any sort
[10:55] <t0by> rats
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[11:18] <GitHub194> [scummvm] bgK pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v6VeK
[11:18] <GitHub194> scummvm/master 09138c9 Bastien Bouclet: MOHAWK: Fix setting the ambient sound volumes...
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[11:20] <wjp> blorente: sorry, that's not the kind of const-ing I meant
[11:20] <wjp> you should make the array prebuiltDialogs itself const
[11:20] <wjp> (and that array should also get a g_ prefix since it's global, by the way)
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[12:18] <blorente> wjp okay... I misunderstood
[12:19] <blorente> I'll solve it right away :)
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[14:03] <snover> m_kiewitz: did anything in sci0/1 use subops 0, 1, 2, or 3 of kPlatform?
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[15:17] <waltervn> IIRC there's no kPlatform in SCI0
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[15:55] <m_kiewitz> snover: im not sure about sci1, but why change that anyway.
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[15:59] <snover> why change what anyway?
[16:00] <m_kiewitz> i assume you wanted to do something, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to ask
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[16:03] <snover> SCI32 operators were crammed into kPlatform at subops 0 through 3, SCI1.1 games seem to only use subop 4, except for KQ6 which also has ops 5, 6, and 7
[16:05] <snover> this is weird, so i am trying to figure out whether any version of SSCI had subops 0 through 3 and then they were removed in a later version of SCI16
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[16:06] <snover> sorry, any version of the SCI16 engine
[16:07] <snover> so: m_kiewitz: did anything in sci0/1 use subops 0, 1, 2, or 3 of kPlatform that you know of?
[16:07] <m_kiewitz> kq5 calls it w/ no parameters at all
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[16:10] <snover> yes, i saw that. i am wondering about the subops.
[16:12] <m_kiewitz> in multilingual kq5, kPlatform was a nop
[16:14] <m_kiewitz> the very first sci1.1 game - qfg3 demo - has the exact same code for kPlatform as King's Quest 6
[16:18] <snover> so the answer to my question is that, no, you dont know of any sci16 game that uses kPlatform subops 0 through 3?
[16:18] <m_kiewitz> Fairy Tales demo - one of the last sci1 games, also has a nop for kPlatform
[16:18] <m_kiewitz> for that i would have to decompile all sorts of games
[16:18] <m_kiewitz> im normally going according to disassembly, not according to game scripts unless it's required
[16:19] <m_kiewitz> in theory kPlatform could have been a debug command before, which would explain this
[16:20] <m_kiewitz> ah according to my docs kPlatform was originally kDoAvoider
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[16:35] <L0ngcat> Strangerke|work: That's right, I don't have kids. I only mate with irc handles and produce glorius fabeladventures that are impossible to buy or find online.
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[16:43] <Strangerke|work> L0ngcat: Did I already tell you you're awesome? :)
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[17:10] <GitHub121> [scummvm] sev- pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6VFo
[17:10] <GitHub121> scummvm/master 289d10c Eugene Sandulenko: DIRECTOR: Lingo: Start of script execution trace code
[17:10] <GitHub121> scummvm/master a8bdfad Eugene Sandulenko: DIRECTOR: Lingo: Started adding function descriptions
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[17:10] <_sev> let's see oif it breaks buildbot
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[17:26] <rootfather> aaaand the buildbot survived.
[17:41] <wjp> oh, void*
[17:45] <wjp> ah, that's a union
[17:46] <m_kiewitz> wjp: at least that SCI1 ports issue is in there since the beginning
[17:46] <m_kiewitz> it's not a regression
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[17:49] <wjp> sorry, which issue?
[17:50] <wjp> oh, you mean ports in the mac/amiga sense
[17:51] <wjp> ?
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[17:58] <m_kiewitz> wjp: no, the larry 5 port issue
[17:59] <m_kiewitz> i noticed a little bug while watching a let's play of lsl5, which was using ScummVM
[17:59] <wjp> oh right, that shifted window
[18:01] <wjp> any idea on where to look?
[18:02] <m_kiewitz> well somewhere ports related lol :P
[18:02] <m_kiewitz> i guess the window gets clipped somehow
[18:02] <m_kiewitz> must be missing code possibly
[18:03] <wjp> anything that would be useful to look at at runtime in SSCI?
[18:04] <omer_mor> m_kiewitz: can you file a bug?
[18:05] <m_kiewitz> hmm i need to look into it first
[18:05] <m_kiewitz> omer_mor: i would, but i want to look into it a bit. Maybe it gets obvious
[18:05] <omer_mor> ok
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[18:16] <omer_mor> It looks like Sierra's pathfinding algorithm patent has expired. Is there any intention to check or challenge that patent?
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[18:21] <wjp> challenge an expired patent? What do you mean?
[18:26] <omer_mor> Implement the algorithm and see if it backfires? :)
[18:26] <wjp> go for it
[18:27] <omer_mor> I know that the patent law can be complicated, so it might be difficult to be 100% certain a patent has expired
[18:27] <omer_mor> but maybe there are people who know better here, and can say
[18:28] <t0by> uh
[18:28] <wjp> from previous conversations, I think the consensus here is that it has expired
[18:28] <omer_mor> wjp: go for it? do you mean a PR with the algorithm would be merged?
[18:28] <t0by> they patented a pathfinding algorithm?
[18:28] <t0by> please, tell more.
[18:28] <omer_mor> t0by: https://www.google.ch/patents/US5287446
[18:28] <t0by> (also what was wrong with the gazillion pathfinding algorithms in literature?)
[18:28] <t0by> thanks omer_mor
[18:29] <wjp> those weren't patentable because they were in literature
[18:29] <wjp> that's a clear drawback
[18:29] <t0by> lol.
[18:29] <omer_mor> Also https://www.google.com/patents/US5425139
[18:29] <waltervn> my report on the SSCI is online somewhere I think
[18:29] <waltervn> *SSCI pathfinding
[18:30] <omer_mor> waltervn: http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/SCI/FreeSCI/Pathfinding/Patent
[18:31] <omer_mor> Actually that's just the patent section. The full report is at http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/SCI/FreeSCI/Pathfinding
[18:31] <omer_mor> What brought me to this topic was bug #7155 : https://sourceforge.net/p/scummvm/bugs/7155/
[18:32] <omer_mor> m_kiewitz said "This may be a pathfinding issue. We do not use the exact pathfinding algo that Sierra used because of patent issues."
[18:32] <waltervn> Figure 4 is probably the most interesting, and shows a major flaw in the Sierra algorithms. Once you know about this flaw, you notice it now and then when you play SSCI games in dosbox
[18:32] <m_kiewitz> Figure 4?
[18:33] <omer_mor> waltervn: care to explain?
[18:33] <omer_mor> (http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/File:Pathfinding-figure04.png)
[18:33] <wjp> the explanation is right there above the figure
[18:34] <omer_mor> waltervn: ok, I get it now
[18:34] <m_kiewitz> omer_mor: good luck reverse engineering the old algo :P I'm all for that, but it will introduce tons of bugs. I think waltervn even said that Sierra changed it quite a bit
[18:35] <omer_mor> m_kiewitz: not saying that I would, but I want to know if the team is willing to challenge the patent by implementing it?
[18:36] <m_kiewitz> in any case, i would definitely keep walter's algo in there in any case at least as an option
[18:37] <waltervn> I don't know know to what extent it has changed over time, but in the earliest versions the contained polygon type is completely missing, and points on the edge of the screen are handled differently. Considering all the changes we see in other kernel functions, it'd really surprise me if kAvoidPath had stayed the same for what, six years?
[18:37] <m_kiewitz> i actually thought about RE'ing the original as well. But it's quite some work
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[19:39] <wanwan> i wonder why they decided to patent the whole thing? is that algo that advanced?
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[19:41] <omer_mor> wanwan: because they could? who knows... you can try asking in their alumni facebook group.
[19:41] <omer_mor> on a related note: here's Ron Gilbert (from Monkey Island fame) on Sierra's pathfinding patent: https://plus.google.com/104115392370084414896/posts/DJ3nHSkvwRi
[19:46] <wanwan> and that US patent already expired, i suppose?
[19:46] <omer_mor> supposedly
[19:46] <omer_mor> (IANAL)
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[19:57] <m_kiewitz> omer_mor: most of us are not from US, so I wonder what they could do even if the patent was still active
[19:57] <m_kiewitz> I guess capture us and put us into Guantanamo :P
[20:03] <omer_mor> =)
[20:12] <wjp> _sev: around?
[20:13] <_sev> yes
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[20:58] <_sev> guys
[20:58] <_sev> need help for proofreading a news item
[20:58] <_sev> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eeUTnpmtJdmJFCO5tvAPT5Jh49MgpnvraGqYjAgR3cs/edit?usp=sharing
[20:59] <snover> ooh! its finally happening! 👍
[21:01] <wjp> I only transferred developer accounts, by the way
[21:02] <snover> i think there is a problem with the mailserver configuration
[21:02] <wjp> oh?
[21:02] <wjp> what's happening?
[21:03] <snover> one moment&
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[21:09] <snover> on my mailserver, there is an ACL rule that is being triggered by the HELO. for whatever reason this rule seems to think that the HELO address looks like it starts with an IPv4-address
[21:12] <snover> rdns is correct but the server is calling itself 11468-01.root.nessus.at instead of vm2.scummvm.org
[21:13] <snover> apparently.
[21:14] Action: wjp digs through mail config
[21:14] <wjp> the amount of indirection in here is stunning
[21:16] <m_kiewitz> _sev: to me it's fine. finally bye bye SF bug tracker
[21:17] <snover> anyway, technically, the rule on my mail server is broken and should not be matching that HELO, but this rule came from a configuration that a bunch of other servers probably use too, so the HELO needs to be less&numbery at the beginning.
[21:17] <snover> there is also this cosmetic problem: https://zetafleet.com/i/57b382d5358f6.png
[21:18] <_sev> m_kiewitz: great
[21:18] <_sev> snover: any comments on the post grammar?
[21:18] <snover> _sev: i will take a peek, seemed you were still adding stuff when i looked :)
[21:18] <_sev> snover: I'm done :)
[21:19] <criezy> Great!
[21:19] <criezy> Which reminds me I should really take the time to install and configure Weblate on the server....
[21:24] <wjp> snover: HELO might be better now
[21:24] <wjp> snover: or maybe not, but I don't have anything set up to easily check what it's doing
[21:26] <snover> Received: from vm2.scummvm.org ([146.255.62.21] helo=11468-01.root.nessus.at)
[21:26] <wjp> grmbl
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[21:30] <snover> _sev: im not on the top of my news copy game today, but hopefully some of those suggestions are helpful.
[21:32] <wjp> ok, this seems to be going somewhere
[21:32] <wjp> try again?
[21:32] <_sev> snover: thanks, I've applied
[21:33] <_sev> mosting now
[21:33] <_sev> posting
[21:33] <snover> wjp: looks OK now
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[21:34] <GitHub38> [scummvm-web] sev- pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm-web/commit/912f8f075128a22459c8a25584f2def48407fffb
[21:34] <GitHub38> scummvm-web/master 912f8f0 Eugene Sandulenko: WEB: Added news item about new bug tracker
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[21:34] <digitall> \o/
[21:37] <_sev> finally!
[21:37] <_sev> wjp: Thanks a lot
[21:37] <digitall> wjp: ditto...
[21:38] <digitall> Are all the historical bugs transferred as well?
[21:38] <digitall> Or just the current open ones?
[21:38] <_sev> digitall: everything
[21:38] <digitall> \o/
[21:38] <digitall> Optimal.
[21:40] <digitall> Sorry have been away for work... Very frazzled so of no use to anyone.
[21:42] <digitall> wjp: Thanks for doing this.
[21:42] <digitall> nn
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[21:43] <snover> wjp: yeah, really nice job on the bug tracker :)
[21:48] <wjp> thanks :-)
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[21:51] <m_kiewitz> _sev: and is everything locked now on SF.net?
[21:51] <snover> wjp: may want to delete the default milestones, iirc that should hide milestones from everywhere
[21:52] <_sev> m_kiewitz: yes. The only thing left to move is the mailing lists
[21:52] <m_kiewitz> _sev: "The requested URL /https://bugs.scummvm.org was not found on this server."
[21:52] <m_kiewitz> o_O
[21:52] <snover> smart quotes strikes again!
[21:52] <wjp> snover: like this?
[21:52] <snover> wjp: yep! :)
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[21:52] <snover> custom 'game' list, so nice.
[21:52] <_sev> m_kiewitz: oh cool
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[21:53] <m_kiewitz> one link works, the other one is broken
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[21:54] <GitHub160> [scummvm-web] sev- pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v6wPM
[21:54] <GitHub160> scummvm-web/master aacd92e Eugene Sandulenko: WEB: Fix quotes
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[22:06] <wjp> Did anybody already dare to make a change on the bug tracker? :-)
[22:07] <snover> wjp: ill do it!
[22:07] <DrMcCoy> wjp: <span>An email has been sent to <drmccoy(at)drmccoy(dot)de> with a token to <a href="/verify_email">verify your new email address</a>.</span>
[22:09] <wjp> does the actual process work, despite the cosmetic problem?
[22:09] <DrMcCoy> Seems so, yes. Got a mail with a link and it verified my email address
[22:10] <criezy> But do we actually have to set the email adress? It seems to be already set.
[22:10] <criezy> Also when I try to save the preferences I get "Warning: The email address specified is already in use. Please specify a different one."
[22:10] <DrMcCoy> My email address wasn't already set
[22:12] <wjp> the code for this verification message was apparently changed in recent svn
[22:13] <wjp> too late now, but will check soon if I can update that plugin
[22:13] <wjp> criezy: odd. Does it show the correct email address in Preferences?
[22:13] Action: wjp also checks database
[22:13] <criezy> Yes. I assumed it got it from GitHub maybe?
[22:14] <criezy> Or maybe that was when we did tests on the tracker a few months ago?
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[22:15] <wjp> interesting question
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[22:15] <GitHub57> [scummvm] sev- pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/v6wM5
[22:15] <GitHub57> scummvm/master 6c0b2b5 Eugene Sandulenko: DIRECTOR: Lingo: Added stubs for function up to 'n'
[22:15] <GitHub57> scummvm/master 93beb37 Eugene Sandulenko: DIRECTOR: Lingo: Fix warnings
[22:15] <GitHub57> scummvm/master 4423bb0 Eugene Sandulenko: DIRECTOR: Lingo: Added stubs for functions up to 's'
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[22:15] <wjp> the database has been reset, so it couldn't be from back then, in theory
[22:15] <wjp> but the database agrees that your email address is set, anyway
[22:15] <wjp> let's see if anybody else has this issue too
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[22:17] <queqk> Hi there, I need help by someone running scummvm on android 4.4
[22:19] <queqk> The whole thing is upside-down. I cant finde the ini anywhere to edit around that, neither can I find the "monkey" that would allow turning the screen in older versions
[22:19] <snover> wjp: there, i did something. :)
[22:19] <queqk> device is galaxy tab-e
[22:19] <snover> for some reason trac thought i changed the description, which is a little weird, because i didnt
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[22:20] <_sev> queqk: Which version of ScummVM do you use?
[22:21] <queqk> Its 1.8.1
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[22:22] <_sev> queqk: I recommend to try to install scummvmsdl
[22:22] <_sev> queqk: and tell me if it makes any difference

[22:25] <criezy> Are SCI save game supposed to be compatible between big endian and little endian systems?
[22:25] <criezy> (see http://forums.scummvm.org/viewtopic.php?t=14145 for context on my question)
[22:25] <wjp> snover: did you get a notification of your change?
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[22:26] <wjp> (It seems to think the Description changed, so I might have to do some bug hunting there...)
[22:26] <m_kiewitz> criezy: yes
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[22:27] <snover> wjp: yes
[22:27] <queqk> sweet, the screen rotated on start and everything looks fine
[22:27] <snover> wjp: from me, no To header
[22:28] <queqk> Thanks a lot _sev =)
[22:30] <wjp> ok, I think I see the (weirdly named) setting that controls the To header
[22:31] <wjp> anyway, bed time now. Please don't break too much ;-)
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[22:34] <m_kiewitz> criezy: I think that's my script patcher bug. I fixed that 2 months ago.
[22:34] <m_kiewitz> the bug made the script patcher not work properly on BE platforms
[22:35] <criezy> Ha OK. If needed I can make some tests on a PPC mac this week-end to confirm that.
[22:36] <m_kiewitz> i got a Pandora, can try it out on it.
[22:37] <m_kiewitz> if you can, please try it out on PPC Mac as well just to make sure. But I bet it's that
[22:38] <criezy> OK. Will do.
[22:38] <somaen> Hey, it's actually possible to find the bugs for Wintermute now
[22:38] <somaen> I mean, yes, it sort of was before too, but it seems slightly less tedious
[22:39] <criezy> Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
[22:39] <criezy> :P
[22:41] <somaen> I wasn't aware of quite a few of the ones I found now
[22:41] <somaen> Mostly because I really couldn't be bothered with the old bug tracker, filtering was.... tedious at best
[22:45] <dreammaster> I'll add my congratulations on finally moving the bug tracker over
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[22:51] <m_kiewitz> criezy: I just survived the magic battle in French King's Quest 5, so it seems it works
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[22:55] <m_kiewitz> we don't have PPC Mac in the daily builds?!
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[22:56] <GitHub5> [scummvm-web] criezy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm-web/commit/28dd2d54f8d45d7c95e69851a37773131ea99448
[22:56] <GitHub5> scummvm-web/master 28dd2d5 Thierry Crozat: WEB: Translate bug tracker migration news to French
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[22:57] <criezy> No, there is no PPC Mac daily builds.
[22:57] <criezy> We had to disable it because with the toolchain we had it failed to generate the binary which had become too big.
[22:57] <criezy> But I can generate a build manually if needed on my system.
[22:59] <dreammaster> Darn.. and I suppose the addition of Titanic, with yet another 1000 classes worth of code didn't help any :P
[23:06] <criezy> It had sunk long before Titanic arrived. At this point one more iceberg would not change anything ;)
[23:06] <criezy> s/iceberg/engine
[23:06] <criezy> sometime I wonder how my brain works...
[23:14] <m_kiewitz> criezy: we can't change PPC Mac to plug-in based?
[23:15] <criezy> No idea. I would need to check how plug-in works and if that is compatible with OS X application bundles.
[23:17] <m_kiewitz> has anyone played "The fall"? it seems to be some sort of Metroidvania + Monkey Island humor
[23:23] <snover> m_kiewitz: i played it. i dont recall it being funny.
[23:24] <m_kiewitz> it isn't? weird, i read a review that said so
[23:24] <m_kiewitz> was it okay? worth 2 bucks?
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[23:30] <snover> m_kiewitz: yeah, probably worth about that much
[23:31] <snover> if i recall, it doesnt really have an ending either
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