ScummVM IRC Log - 15 Dec 2017

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[00:06] <ScummBot> Port build status changed with d5c6c921: Failure: stable-dingux, stable-gcw0
[00:07] <wjp> hrm
[00:07] <wjp> seems I missed a bit of excitement
[00:09] <wjp> checking that the URL is actually a URL might also make sense here
[00:10] <criezy> wjp, Actually I am thinking of wraping the code using posix_spawn into a #ifdef _POSIX_SPAWN (to replace my previous commit that only disables it on mac).
[00:10] <criezy> Do you see an issue with that?
[00:11] <wjp> is it a run-time or compile-time restriction on macOS?
[00:11] <criezy> No, it's just that posix_spawn was introduced in SUSv3, so is not present in old SDKs.
[00:12] <criezy> And I assume this is the same issue with the dingux and gcw0 failure.
[00:12] <criezy> And it looks like when it is supported _POSIX_SPAWN should be defined in unistd.h.
[00:12] <wjp> oh, ok. Sure. Can also detect in configure if necessary.
[00:13] <wjp> Do we need alternatives for these platforms?
[00:14] <criezy> I am not sure. Opening URLs is an optional feature that is not used much. And those platforms are only old platforms.
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[00:37] <criezy> I am confused by this _POSIX_SPAWN define. The documentation indicates that if it is not defined or is defined to -1, the feature is not supported for compilation.
[00:37] <criezy> On macOS X it is defined to -1, yet the function is there and it compiles.
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[01:03] <snover> criezy: i realised that opening a web page on a device with a 320x240 screen makes pretty much no sense, so i imagine it can just be disabled entirely for those two platforms.
[01:04] <snover> (the non-macos failures)
[01:04] <criezy> I went with the suggestion from wjp and just added a check in configure.
[01:04] <criezy> Although this is not yet committed.
[01:05] <criezy> And that will disable it for those two platforms.
[01:05] <snover> i mean, i do prefer feature detection over platform detection.
[01:05] <criezy> I agree that trying to support there is probably pointless.
[01:05] <snover> so that sounds just fine to me.
[01:05] <snover> better than my suggestion.
[01:05] <criezy> *to support it there...
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[01:09] <GitHub164> [scummvm] criezy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbwat
[01:09] <GitHub164> scummvm/master 4f10253 Thierry Crozat: BUILD: Check if posix_spawn is available in configure
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[01:09] <criezy> Sorry buildbot...
[01:09] <criezy> (that change in configure will make it recompile a lot of things)
[01:13] <criezy> Still > 7 Gb available on the server...
[01:13] Action: criezy touches wood
[01:17] <snover> _sev graciously took the time to clear up some space the last time it exploded so hopefully that work will keep us stable until after the release when we can do some more radical improving.
[01:21] <criezy> snover: I was wondering if it might be a good idea to create a testing form for master, and related spreadsheet / wiki page so that users can continuously test games and report success /failure with various versions of ScummVM.
[01:21] <criezy> We had a discussion last year (see http://lists.scummvm.org/pipermail/scummvm-devel/2016-May/011816.html ) which sadly after some traction, didn't lead to any concrete solution in place.
[01:21] <snover> criezy: yes! it would be wonderful!
[01:23] <snover> it is actually one of the things on my personal i will never be able to get all this done myself TODO list, http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/User:Csnover
[01:26] <snover> dosboxs compat list code is really ancient so i am not sure i would want to use it directly, it could be a starting point though. it has this comment at the top of the source files so i guess i could just crib it: this src is written under the terms of the GPL-licence, see gpl.txt for futher details
[01:28] <snover> it really is just a bunch of antipatterns everywhere unfortunately.
[01:29] <criezy> I don't know if you have seen in the discussion I linked too, at some points a prototype was built with Ruby.
[01:30] <snover> oh, my apologies, i did not read the whole thing, just the one message you linked.
[01:30] <criezy> The discussion went actually quite deep from there.
[01:30] <criezy> See for example http://lists.scummvm.org/pipermail/scummvm-devel/2016-June/011846.html
[01:32] <ScummBot> Port build status changed with d5c6c921: Success: stable-mingw-w64, stable-debian-x86, stable-android_arm, stable-android_x86, stable-gamecube, stable-ios, stable-openpandora, stable-gp2x, stable-debian-x86-nullbackend, stable-gp2xwiz
[01:33] <snover> setting up a ruby environment is less of an issue now since it can just go into a container, the issue of actually working on ruby remains an issue, i dont loathe very many programming languages and unfortunately ruby is one of them
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[01:38] <criezy> But here I was wondering if instead of pursuing a great solution that will not materialise anytime soon, using a google form + google spreadhseet would allow to start gathering information. Although eventually its size might become an issue.
[01:38] <snover> yes, it could collect the information.
[01:39] <snover> its not really any better than excel at being a database though.
[01:39] <snover> maybe thats enough, maybe thats not enough
[01:39] <snover> im happy to copy another one of these spreadsheets into the world.
[01:43] <ScummBot> Port build status changed with d5c6c921: Success: stable-psp2, stable-n64, stable-amigaos4Failure: stable-mingw-w64-cplusplus11
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[01:46] <snover> well. that stable-mingw-w64-cplusplus11 error is a new one for me.
[01:46] <snover> backends/platform/sdl/.deps/sdl.d:190: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?). Stop.
[01:46] <snover> i mean, i dont know, did i?
[01:52] <criezy> That reminds me of some insteresting errors we were getting while trying to compile some legacy fortran code at work a few months ago.
[01:58] <rsn8887> Fortran I love it.
[01:59] <rsn8887> Complex numbers, matrix multiplication, dot product, vectors, all builtin.
[01:59] <rsn8887> But 70 chars per line.
[02:03] <criezy> Fortunately that limitation (and others) went away with fortran 90 and free-format source.
[02:04] <tsoliman> tomorrow I start my long break - very exited - no work till January
[02:05] <criezy> Lucky you!
[02:05] <criezy> I have one more week to go before some holidays.
[02:05] <tsoliman> it's all the remaining "use it, or lose it" paid-time-off-of-work
[02:06] <tsoliman> yeah my family also has 1 week left
[02:06] <tsoliman> so that gives me the rare "I am free but my family isn't"
[02:06] <snover> woo! house party!
[02:07] <tsoliman> yep - and also Android hacking!
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[02:27] <GitHub180> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbwoX
[02:27] <GitHub180> scummvm/master 8664060 Paul Gilbert: XEEN: Added Reaper cutscene code
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[02:39] <rsn8887> tsoliman: Has that "Android Studio" SDK improved? I installed it a year ago, felt like an alpha version coded in Javascript or something.
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[02:51] <GitHub86> scummvm/master f281985 Paul Gilbert: XEEN: Renaming of cutscene subtitle code
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[03:00] <Endy> I have to write a talk about the history of idtech2 over xmas... no rest for the community-involved :P
[03:01] <snover> cut and paste wikipedia and call it a day
[03:03] <ScummBot> Port build status changed with c9049f62: Success: stable-mingw-w64-cplusplus11
[03:04] <snover> well im glad that builder decided to fix itself
[03:04] <snover> though i am also a little terrified that that builder fixed itself
[03:07] <Endy> Machine Learning :P
[03:08] <Endy> I for one will welcome our new buildbot-derived overlords.
[03:08] <dreammaster> Next they'll be self replicating, with blackjack and hookers :)
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[03:25] <snover> it also cleared away 18G of data. i hope that wasnt anything important.
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[03:48] <tsoliman> rsn8887: I haven't fired it up yet. I've been mostly compiling with the buildbot toolchain - I think it used to be just eclipse, now it is intellij .. so that's a sort of improvement I guess?
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[03:57] <rsn8887> Tsoliman: The one I tried was based on Eclipse and I was not impressed. It seemed very bloated, slow and confusing.
[03:57] <tsoliman> I mean you're just describing eclipse :)
[03:58] <tsoliman> I kid .. I've used eclipse since 2002ish .. then switched to intellij in 2015ish
[03:58] <tsoliman> so I am comfortable with both
[03:59] <rsn8887> Tsoliman: true but the Android parts are added on top and are even more confusing. With many weird update packages dialogs and all kinds of buggy stuff.
[03:59] <tsoliman> ok so the problem is that eclipse is really a platform not an IDE
[03:59] <tsoliman> most people will download an eclipse distro
[03:59] <tsoliman> which almost always has crap you don't need (along with the bits you do need)
[04:00] <tsoliman> the ideal way is always to build your own .. which means to download the "bare" eclipse (used to be called "Eclipse SDK") and install only the plugins you need
[04:02] <tsoliman> but no one does that ... and defaults and "default distros" matter a lot apparently .. it is like when people were criticizing debian for its "look and feel" when they really mean gnome or whatever the default GUI is
[04:04] <rsn8887> Tsoliman: well I managed to use the Android studio that uses Eclipse somehow to package my two little games for Android as .apk, and they worked great. They are called arnesspacetaxi and arnesbreakout you should try them out. I use them at work sometimes to teach students about simulating kinematic equations and different types of 2D collisions. I think I ended up using some bundles command line
[04:04] <rsn8887> tool because the SDK gui was just too confusing.
[04:04] <rsn8887> Bundled*
[04:05] <tsoliman> give it a try now .. it is now differently confusing and less confusing
[04:05] <tsoliman> (but again that's just intellij)
[04:06] <tsoliman> intellij is a much tighter but less customizable package
[04:08] <rsn8887> Yeah I will check it out whenever I have time. My test for SDKs is always how long does it take me to find out how to add an include directory, specify libraries to link, and get modern c++98 or whatever syntax to work. Eclipse failed quite miserable a few years ago. It never understood modern c syntax, and finding those options took forever.
[04:11] <tsoliman> yeah ... I used eclipse for ScummVM hacking a while back on Linux and it worked fine because it just called make :)
[04:11] <tsoliman> it was a fancy editor .. stripped of all of its normal powers
[04:12] <tsoliman> basically all those java tools are gonna be good for java hacking but not C++
[04:15] <rsn8887> At least on Linux you did not have to go through that horror of getting Cygwin gcc or mingw to work with eclipse. On windows they give you the SDK without a c compiler (why?)
[04:16] <rsn8887> And then you have to go through 15 steps to get it to actually call the correct gcc and make etc...
[04:17] <rsn8887> The other problem I have is portability, by the time you have an SDK configured to where you like it, what if you switch computers? It is really hard to configure it again from scratch...
[04:17] <rsn8887> By that time I have changed hundreds of options etc, so it works on that machine... only...
[04:18] <rsn8887> Not on on any other one.
[04:19] <rsn8887> Anyways thats just my two cent. I would love to have time to play around with Xcode because it seems like a nice SDK for a change.
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[05:04] <ScummBot> Port build status changed with 2926cd4a: Success: master-osx_intel
[05:21] <ScummBot> Port build status changed with ee2cdefc: Success: stable-osx_intel
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[09:06] <GitHub73> [scummvm] criezy pushed 1 new commit to branch-2-0: https://git.io/vbwxF
[09:06] <GitHub73> scummvm/branch-2-0 e23f7d0 Thierry Crozat: BUILD: Check if posix_spawn is available in configure
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[10:32] <ScummBot> Port build status changed with f2819856: Success: master-dingux
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[10:44] <_sev_> snover: 2x300GB RAID is on the way to our server
[10:49] <ScummBot> Port build status changed with f2819856: Success: master-gcw0
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[11:11] <ScummBot> Port build status changed with e23f7d0d: Success: stable-dingux
[11:12] <wjp> _sev_: excellent news. Do we need to do anything on our side for this?
[11:12] <_sev_> not sure
[11:13] <_sev_> at least I was not informed of anything
[11:16] <rootfather> not even *why* we get new hard disks?
[11:16] <rootfather> somebody must have ordered them, right? :D
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[11:21] <criezy|Work> And the buildbot is all green!
[11:21] Action: criezy|Work wonders when was the last time it happened...
[11:24] <criezy|Work> _sev_: Great!
[11:24] <criezy|Work> rootfather: _sev_ asked them nicely if we could get more disk space as our disk was regularly getting full.
[11:28] <ScummBot> Port build status changed with e23f7d0d: Success: stable-gcw0. Nice work, all ports built fine now
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[11:35] <rootfather> criezy|Work ah okay now that makes sense
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[17:00] <snover> would someone with an rpi give this binary a try and let me know how it goes? https://www.dropbox.com/s/lt08krzmet0y99g/raspberrypi-2.0.0git-264-g4be59f67a7.tar.xz?dl=1
[17:02] <snover> it has only sci engine built in because im impatient. if it runs, that probably means itll be fine.
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[17:37] <wjp> snover: which OS are you targetting with that?
[17:38] <snover> i just replaced the compiler with the armhf cross-compiler from debian 9. im thinking maybe the libraries need to be statically linked since they arent, though the old one didnt seem to be doing anything special in that regard (though maybe i overlooked something obvious)
[17:38] <wjp> otherwise raspbian jessie?
[17:39] <wjp> (aka 8)
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[17:40] <snover> i dont understand the question, can you say that again differently?
[17:41] <wjp> what system environment is this binary expecting in terms of available dynamic libraries?
[17:42] <wjp> ldd output is a bit confusing
[17:42] <snover> ah. it would be stretch, i didnt do anything special with the libraries, just installed them from apt.
[17:43] <wjp> ah, ok
[17:43] <wjp> I still have jessie on this one (which was targetted by the docker toolchain from a few months ago)
[17:46] <wjp> I can probably update it tonight or tomorrow
[17:46] <wjp> it would also be good if someone can separately test it on a rpi zero
[17:50] <wjp> I think I saw some package version differences between debian stretch and raspbian stretch, but if we're lucky we won't hit any
[17:51] <wjp> static linking is probably not desirable given the armv6z/armv7 differences?
[17:53] <logix> wjp: I've only touched netbsd on the pi for some time now, so refresh my memory - there is just one raspbian image for all rpi versions, right?
[17:53] <snover> im not sure. i think we probably ought to have some configure flag to enable static linking too, instead of right now where the cross-compilers enable static linking by not building shared libraries
[17:53] <wjp> logix: AFAIK, yes
[17:53] <logix> ok
[17:54] <logix> if I can find all adapters and stuff, I should be able to test on a zero fairly soon then
[17:57] <logix> ugh, the desktop seeks to be > 4gb, I'm not sure if I have a spare card around
[17:58] <logix> raspbian desktop image that is
[17:59] <wjp> I think there were smaller images around
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[18:06] <logix> I'll dd away a larger card
[18:06] <logix> well, its contents...
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[19:12] <L0ngcat> anyone want a free key for Masters of Orion on gog?
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[20:26] <rootfather> snover do you have plans to fill the TODO part in the 2.0 announcement?
[20:26] <rootfather> I'm working on the german translation right now
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[21:16] <snover> rootfather: i was kind of hoping someone would help with that part, i guess i will end up stealing most of what criezy wrote in the news text file
[21:16] <snover> (which i guess is another example of duplication :))
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[21:53] <logix> if it's not too urgent, I'll delay testing the pi binary on a zero until tomorrow morning CET, i.e., in ~10 hours or so
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[21:55] <logix> also - is a keyboard enough to start X and run scummvm (i.e., can you navigate PIXEL sufficiently far with kbd shortcuts)?
[21:55] <dafioram> snover: would it be possible to build the raspberry pi builds without libsdl2net?
[21:56] <snover> dafioram: anythings possible, what is the problem?
[21:58] <dafioram> if i try to run the binary it wants libsdl2net library
[21:58] <snover> why is this a problem?
[21:58] <wjp> sdlnet should be disabled on branch-2-0 anyway, right?
[21:59] <snover> yes.
[22:01] <dafioram> why does ur build want that library and my own dont?
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[22:02] <snover> which build is min[r]?
[22:03] <snover> the one i linked earlier?
[22:03] <snover> its a nightly build so it has all the dependencies which come with a nightly build
[22:03] <dafioram> ur dropbox vs scummvm build on my pi from source
[22:04] <snover> because i installed libsdl2-net-dev, and i guess you didnt
[22:04] <wjp> (please don't use "ur")
[22:05] <logix> pls !2b usng "ur"
[22:05] <logix> wjp: that's how it's written these days
[22:05] <wjp> unless of course you really mean to refer to some kind of primitive dropbox by ur-dropbox
[22:06] <dafioram> yeah i didnt link sdl2net
[22:07] <logix> wjp: ah, dutch also has the "ur-" prefix? not *entirely* surprising, but still, I don't think I knew that yet
[22:07] <dafioram> i dont think thats on most raspberry pis by default

[22:09] <snover> in this one case i can run a new build without that if it is a problem for testing
[22:11] <dafioram> ill test again if u can do that
[22:13] <wjp> dafioram: why don't you just install the package for testing?
[22:15] <dafioram> its not a simple thing to connect my pi to internet
[22:15] <wjp> ah
[22:20] <snover> dafioram: https://www.dropbox.com/s/76nm8soj95fljb8/raspberrypi-2.0.0git-264-g4be59f67a7-no-cloud.tar.xz?dl=0
[22:21] <dafioram> excellent
[22:38] <dafioram> snover: i have libpng12 but not libpng16. I guess i will work on upgrading my pi
[22:45] <rootfather> snover or someone with access to the webserver: can you please upload the 2.0.0 part of /doc/de/NEUES to the webserver as /frs/scummvm/2.0.0/ReleaseNotes_DE so I can link to it in the german announcement?
[23:05] <wjp> criezy is managing that directory this cycle
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[23:28] <travis-ci> libretro/scummvm#4 (master - 65b76de : Twinaphex): The build is still failing.
[23:28] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/libretro/scummvm/compare/e66cb237a63f...65b76de9409c
[23:28] <travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/libretro/scummvm/builds/317165103
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