ScummVM IRC Log - 06 Dec 2014

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[01:56] <DrMcCoy> https://twitter.com/Jeff__Ward/status/540931541967183872/photo/1 :)
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[05:39] <Lightkey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyYjLZ6wr7k weee~ a King's Quest jump'n'run
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[08:36] <WooShell> good meowning =^.^=
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[08:53] <wjp> DrMcCoy: aww :-)
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[09:02] <DrMcCoy> yeah, really cute :3
[09:03] <DrMcCoy> for people who missed it earlier: https://twitter.com/Jeff__Ward/status/540931541967183872/photo/1 :)
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[09:21] <GitHub136> [scummvm] skristiansson opened pull request #543: BUILD: sync config.guess and config.sub (master...pr/config-sync) http://git.io/Ro4fiQ
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[09:52] <fuzzie> g'morning
[09:53] <LordHoto> fuzzie!
[09:55] <wjp> hello
[09:55] <LordHoto> wjp!
[09:59] <wjp> oh, updated config.{guess,sub}
[10:00] <eriktorbjorn> fuzzie: I've heard you're involved with the "Living Books" support in the Mohawk engine, is that right?
[10:06] <fuzzie> eriktorbjorn: I think it's a bit too late to disclaim responsibility :-)
[10:08] <eriktorbjorn> fuzzie: I don't know if clone2727 mentioned, but I was trying to get a Mac version of "Just Grandma And Me" to run, and ScummVM wouldn't recognize it. With some help, I was able to get it to run using http://www.update.uu.se/~d91tan/ScummVM/livingbooks.diff.txt but apparently my change to convertMacFileName() isn't really what we want to do. (The filenames contain / characters, which obviously need to be renamed when using Linux.)
[10:09] <eriktorbjorn> And apparently I should have put the name of the executable ("Just Grandma and Me") somwhere in that detection entry.
[10:09] <fuzzie> ah yes, because it would be nice to have it work with the original disk..
[10:09] <fuzzie> what does Linux convert the slashes to?
[10:10] <fuzzie> the last 0 is the executable name, I think, from memory, but probably it's clear :)
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[10:11] <eriktorbjorn> fuzzie: I don't know if there's any standard for it, but using hfsutils converted spaces to "_" (unnecessary, if you ask me) and "/" to "-". At least by default. But clone2727 thought it was better to change the "/" to "_" for some reason I can't remember.
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[10:12] <GitHub104> [scummvm] wjp pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Ixc62A
[10:12] <GitHub104> scummvm/master d8af639 Willem Jan Palenstijn: BUILD: sync config.guess and config.sub from GNU
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[10:12] <GitHub62> [scummvm] wjp closed pull request #543: BUILD: sync config.guess and config.sub (master...pr/config-sync) http://git.io/Ro4fiQ
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[10:13] <wjp> (broken permissions in the PR, so did a manual commit, in case anyone wondered)
[10:13] <eriktorbjorn> fuzzie: By the way, the CD I bought only has the Macintosh version of the game, not the Windows one, and it's in English, Spanish and Japanese. I don't know if that's common or not.
[10:13] <fuzzie> hm, I would have thought ':' would be ideal, but complicated
[10:13] <fuzzie> eriktorbjorn: I haven't seen it, but that doesn't mean much at this point..
[10:13] <fuzzie> I should really collect more versions
[10:13] <fuzzie> but I already have a couple of variants of most of the games
[10:14] <eriktorbjorn> fuzzie: I came across it by accident at a local second-hand store.
[10:15] <stekern> wjp: thanks, me and permissions, eh... ;)
[10:17] <wjp> interestingly it was in the reverse direction this time
[10:17] <fuzzie> eriktorbjorn: does the game work otherwise?
[10:17] <wjp> keeps us on our toes :-)
[10:17] <eriktorbjorn> fuzzie: Not sure, but it started and showed the first screen at least.
[10:18] <fuzzie> the first in-game (story/play) screen?
[10:18] <eriktorbjorn> fuzzie: Yes.
[10:18] <fuzzie> okay, neat. thanks.
[10:18] <fuzzie> Someday I will find time to go back and finish Rugrats support.
[10:19] <fuzzie> Right now it breaks .. somewhere, at startup.
[10:19] <fuzzie> In a maze of excessively complicated nested scripts.
[10:19] <eriktorbjorn> Ah, I still have that patch applied locally, so I can try a few more screens I guess. :-)
[10:20] <fuzzie> (but, yes, clone2727 did mention it, but I am buried in university until Dec 19th)
[10:20] <eriktorbjorn> By the way, the CD also had two audio tracks, but I guess they're just bonus, not used in the game?
[10:20] <fuzzie> I hope so. ;)
[10:21] <fuzzie> Maybe that's why they didn't include the Windows version (although I think usually the hybrid disks just used identical data files).
[10:22] <eriktorbjorn> Seems to be working. Not that I know what the game's supposed to be like, but...
[10:22] <fuzzie> "We went to the beach, just Grandma and Me"?
[10:23] <fuzzie> I am never going to forget these stories :(
[10:24] <eriktorbjorn> fuzzie: Never heard of it, though I guess the style is slightly reminiscent of a Richard Scarry (I think) book I had as a kid.
[10:24] <fuzzie> The historically buggy parts are mostly with clicking the words.
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[10:24] <m_kiewitz> King's Quest reveal trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyYjLZ6wr7k
[10:25] <fuzzie> I wasn't very impressed by the Grandma and Me LB (and I don't know the story otherwise), but it was their first one, I think.
[10:26] <fuzzie> The Tortoise And The Hare is when they started doing it well (and I think Green Eggs and Ham was the pinnacle, although it's not perfect in ScummVM).
[10:27] <eriktorbjorn> Anyway, I've got to run. Have to go shopping for a new washing machine, of all things. Sometimes being grown up is boring.
[10:27] <fuzzie> :-)
[10:28] <eriktorbjorn> I mean, just imagine all the fun stuff you could have done as a kid with that kind of money. :-)
[10:35] <LordHoto> wjp: what's it with all these permission issues? :-P
[10:39] <stekern> it's all me, failing to pay attention to the first lines in git show...
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[10:47] <stekern> I keep a fresh set of config.* in my ~/ that I copied from and obviously I have 0644 permissions on those...
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[12:00] <Vanfanel> LordHoto: I finally isolated (or that's what I think) what causes GLES2 backend to be so slow on ARM Linux. I've several boards here and it's the same: glTexSubImage2D() uses ~70% of the CPU time
[12:01] <Vanfanel> I ran oprofile and it seems a format conversion is done in the MALI libs (on MALI400-equipped SOC), but that's done in other software and CPU usage isn't anywhere that high
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[12:01] <GitHub93> [scummvm] fedor4ever opened pull request #544: Symbian : add Theora support (master...Theora-for-symbian) http://git.io/Jo6WKg
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[13:39] <Cheeseness> 7.5 hours till Game Club with Ron Gilbert playing Maniac Mansion for anybody who's interested :D http://double-fine-game-club.github.io/
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[15:46] <[md5]> hm... can anyone explain the usage of extern here ? extern const char foo[] = "bar";
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[15:56] <Schnabeltierchen> hi, when i start scummvm, i get a "WARNING: SDL mixer output buffer size: 1024 differs from desired: 2048! Segmentation fault" and it closes... google gives nothing about it...
[15:57] <[md5]> Schnabeltierchen: which version of ScummVM? which OS? which platform?
[15:58] <Schnabeltierchen> newest from the ubuntu ppa
[15:58] <Schnabeltierchen> running ubuntu 14.04 on linux pc :P
[16:00] <Schnabeltierchen> scummvm 1.6.0+dfsg-3 armhf
[16:01] <[md5]> and you see nothing? not even the menu?
[16:01] <[md5]> did you have an older version installed? or is this a fresh install?
[16:03] <Schnabeltierchen> fresh install
[16:04] <[md5]> can you check your ~/.scummvmrc file?
[16:04] <Schnabeltierchen> empty...
[16:04] <[md5]> odd
[16:04] <[md5]> try deleting it and restart ScummVM
[16:06] <Schnabeltierchen> same thing

[16:08] <[md5]> is SDL set up correctly on your system?
[16:08] <[md5]> is ALSA set up correctly?

[16:09] <[md5]> are these other things games?
[16:10] <Schnabeltierchen> other things games?

[16:11] <Schnabeltierchen> several movies players, flashaudio inside browser...
[16:11] <[md5]> so movies and sound work. OK
[16:12] <LePhilousophe> [md5]: the extern here isn't needed I think
[16:12] <LePhilousophe> but maybe someone put it here to have the same than the declaration
[16:12] <LePhilousophe> oh that's armhf architecture

[16:13] <[md5]> LePhilousophe: it's fingolfin's changes in a pull request he made
[16:13] <LePhilousophe> well maybe he should reply
[16:13] <[md5]> k
[16:13] <LePhilousophe> but extern is not needed on a declaration
[16:14] <[md5]> Schnabeltierchen: does "which sdl-config" return anything?
[16:14] <[md5]> LePhilousophe: yeah, that's why I found it odd
[16:14] <Schnabeltierchen> /usr/bin/sdl-config
[16:14] <[md5]> LePhilousophe: https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm/pull/529/files
[16:15] <LePhilousophe> oh ok
[16:15] <LePhilousophe> that's because the declaration isn't included before teh definition
[16:16] <[md5]> ah, right, ok
[16:17] <[md5]> Schnabeltierchen: perhaps it's an issue with your graphics card driver? Have you played any games yet?

[16:18] <Schnabeltierchen> both played games well
[16:18] <Schnabeltierchen> except the sound...
[16:20] <[md5]> what do you mean?

[16:25] <[md5]> hrm
[16:26] <[md5]> libretro does use SDL, so if that works, your SDL installation should be OK
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[16:30] <[md5]> Schnabeltierchen: is freetype installed?
[16:31] <[md5]> with a quick check online, it seems it isn't installed in some systems by default
[16:31] <[md5]> try "apt-get install freetype"
[16:32] <[md5]> or "apt-get install freetype*" (with the * in the end)
[16:33] <wjp> things like that would make it not even start
[16:34] <wjp> Schnabeltierchen: FWIW, that warnings is usually harmless
[16:34] <wjp> are you able to use gdb?
[16:35] <wjp> and just to make sure, you're using armhf, so I assume you do actually have hardware FP available?
[16:36] <Schnabeltierchen> E: Unable to locate package freetype
[16:37] <Schnabeltierchen> this warning crashes my scummvm before even starting it
[16:37] <wjp> what warning?
[16:37] <[md5]> I think he refers to the SDL mixer warning
[16:38] <Schnabeltierchen> WARNING: SDL mixer output buffer size: 1024 differs from desired: 2048! Segmentation fault
[16:38] <wjp> the warning is harmless
[16:38] <wjp> the segfault isn't

[16:38] <wjp> but scummvm has already started at this point, so missing dynamic libraries aren't the problem
[16:38] <wjp> are you able to use gdb?
[16:39] <wjp> 17:35 <@wjp> and just to make sure, you're using armhf, so I assume you do actually have hardware FP available?
[16:42] <[md5]> ah yes, my bad, since you're getting the warning, ScummVM starts, so all the required libs should be OK
[16:42] <Schnabeltierchen> yes gdb starts
[16:42] <Schnabeltierchen> hardware fb?
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[16:42] <Schnabeltierchen> hardware fp?
[16:43] <wjp> can you start scummvm in gdb and see where it crashes?
[16:44] <Schnabeltierchen> never used gdb...
[16:45] <Schnabeltierchen> how to start scummvm in gdb?
[16:45] <wjp> gdb `which scummvm`
[16:45] <wjp> (from a terminal)
[16:46] <wjp> then you should get a gdb prompt, and you can do "run" to start
[16:46] <Schnabeltierchen> yes...
[16:46] <Schnabeltierchen> it does
[16:47] <Schnabeltierchen> (gdb) which scummvm
[16:47] <Schnabeltierchen> Undefined command: "which". Try "help".
[16:48] <wjp> "gdb `which scummvm`" is a single command
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[16:49] <Schnabeltierchen> http://nopaste.info/8077b8e480.html
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[16:50] <wjp> ok, and then "run"
[16:51] <Schnabeltierchen> http://nopaste.info/dd68c99ba4.html
[16:51] <[md5]> "Could not initialize SDL: Unable to memory map the video hardware!"
[16:54] <[md5]> I don't understand why other SDL apps work for you
[16:56] <Schnabeltierchen> http://nopaste.info/1f9199fd8c.html
[16:59] <wjp> this is probably something rather specific to your system
[16:59] <wjp> maybe permissions of a fb device
[16:59] <[md5]> this error comes from SDL, and seems to indicate a problem with mmap()... and it occurs when it tries to initialize the frame buffer
[17:01] <Vanfanel> md5: try as root. seems like an access problem with /dev/fb0
[17:01] <Vanfanel> or fbx
[17:04] <Schnabeltierchen> http://nopaste.info/11ac07c962.html
[17:05] <wjp> so, which platform is this?
[17:05] <Schnabeltierchen> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G138745696275 <-- this one
[17:06] <wjp> and what are you running in terms of graphics/X/fbdev/... ?
[17:06] <Vanfanel> Schnabeltierchen: I have that board here and I can run scummvm on it, but I had to tweak SDL to do so
[17:07] <Vanfanel> Schnabeltierchen: the problem is that SDL relies on an outdated piece of software like SDL 1.x
[17:07] <Schnabeltierchen> wjp how to determine this?
[17:07] <Vanfanel> which no longer works with hardware like this
[17:07] <Vanfanel> Schnabeltierchen: I also have a Scummvm version that runs on GLES2 on that board :D
[17:08] <Vanfanel> But I need help from LordHoto to debug a speed problem with certain games
[17:08] <Schnabeltierchen> with the "game station turbo" image scummvm runs out of the box on the u3...
[17:08] <[md5]> the board looks nice, btw. Quite cheap, too
[17:09] <[md5]> seems to be a better value for money than RPi
[17:09] <Vanfanel> Schnabeltierchen: scaled to fullscreen also??
[17:09] <Schnabeltierchen> yes
[17:09] <Vanfanel> Schnabeltierchen: how? what does it use? Scummvm on RetroArch?
[17:09] <Vanfanel> on LibRetro, I mean

[17:10] <Schnabeltierchen> started it and worked out of the box
[17:10] <Vanfanel> Schnabeltierchen: ah, on X....
[17:10] <Vanfanel> bah
[17:10] <Vanfanel> thanks, X is useless for me

[17:11] <Schnabeltierchen> [md5] and you even get support in irc for it :P
[17:13] <[md5]> Schnabeltierchen: heh :P
[17:13] <Vanfanel> Schnabeltierchen: running scummvm with the SDL1.x Xorg backend produces horrible tearing
[17:13] <Vanfanel> it's useless
[17:13] <Schnabeltierchen> it played monkey island pretty well...
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[17:15] <Vanfanel> with tearing
[17:16] <Vanfanel> Xorg is horrible
[17:16] <Vanfanel> I hate it
[17:23] <[md5]> I suppose the Ubuntu version shipped with ODROID isn't as customized as Raspbian et al?
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[17:29] <Schnabeltierchen> dunno, never tested scummvm with that
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[17:45] <Vanfanel> [md5]: no, it's not.
[17:50] <[md5]> Vanfanel: yeah, I suspected that much
[17:50] <Vanfanel> [md5]: but it can be far better if you do the work
[17:51] <Vanfanel> the CPU on the U3 runs circles around the one on the Pi
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[18:07] <[md5]> Vanfanel: yeah, that is true
[18:09] <[md5]> I'm checking retropie. Seems like a nice frontend for RPi
[18:09] <[md5]> and it includes ScummVM too! :P
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[20:02] <m_kiewitz> Day of the tentacle special edition announced!!!!!111111111111111111eleven ... dead
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[20:02] <[md5]> huh?
[20:02] <m_kiewitz> PS4/Vita/PC/MAC/Linux
[20:03] <m_kiewitz> http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/06/day-of-the-tentacle-special-edition-announced
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[20:03] <dreammaster> Holy crap :)
[20:03] <m_kiewitz> http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/06/day-of-the-tentacle-special-edition-announced
[20:03] <m_kiewitz> y no PS3 :(
[20:04] <[md5]> ooh shiny
[20:04] <[md5]> nice
[20:04] <[md5]> well, PS3 is considered obsolete with PS4, so...
[20:04] Action: [md5] wears his anti-flame hat
[20:05] <m_kiewitz> well that special edition was 80% done already some ages ago
[20:06] <[md5]> I on the other hand, wonder why they won't release it to XBox one
[20:06] <Sir_Burpalot> I wonder if they're going to redo the voiceovers from scratch or use the original ones.
[20:06] <[md5]> they could always use ScummVM for their release ;)
[20:06] <m_kiewitz> and some ass-hat CEO at LucasArts wasn't interested
[20:06] <m_kiewitz> http://kotaku.com/how-lucasarts-fell-apart-1401731043

[20:07] <m_kiewitz> Singapore, never to be touched again.
[20:08] <Sir_Burpalot> I wish someone would do a remake of QFG4 or Dreamweb.
[20:09] <[md5]> most important is this bit, IMHO: "LucasArts was a company paralyzed by dysfunction, apathy, and indecision from executives at the highest levels."
[20:09] <[md5]> that sums it up, really
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[20:11] <[md5]> e.g. one of their biggest franchises after Star Wars was Indiana Jones... and there weren't any serious recent game titles
[20:11] <[md5]> http://indianajones.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Indiana_Jones_video_games
[20:14] <m_kiewitz> well some other ass-hat at lucasarts actually didn't want to release an almost finished port of the 2 Gamecube Star Wars games for Wii (which had lots of enhancements and lots of content etc.)
[20:16] <m_kiewitz> ahh, scratch that. it was 50% done
[20:16] <m_kiewitz> http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/10/more-cancelled-star-wars-games-revealed
[20:16] <m_kiewitz> but it was actually all 3 games. so the 2 from gamecube and the one from n64
[20:19] <t0by> Did those feature Jar Jar?
[20:20] <t0by> maybe we kinda dodged a bullet there.
[20:20] <m_kiewitz> it was the classic rogue squadron for N64, rogue squadron II for gamecube and rebel strike for gamecube
[20:21] <m_kiewitz> no jar jar to be found
[20:22] <m_kiewitz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-X8C_8nJQ4
[20:22] <m_kiewitz> maybe someone at disney may get a hint and release it for wii u at some point
[20:23] <t0by> Wait, are those FMV or it's actual live graphics from the... Wii?
[20:23] <m_kiewitz> those were actual graphics on gamecube
[20:23] <t0by> Damn, I thought that thing was more like the DS in terms of capability
[20:24] <m_kiewitz> rogue squadron 2 was a launch title and it's still one if not the best looking game on gamecube
[20:24] <m_kiewitz> and it was 60fps
[20:24] <t0by> Whoah.
[20:24] <m_kiewitz> and they even had the original rebel squadron 2 levels included in rebel strike for coop gameplay
[20:24] <m_kiewitz> split screen
[20:26] <eriktorbjorn> It also says the remastered version of Grim Fandango will be released on January 27. Didn't expect it that soon.
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[20:44] --> <Cheeseness> joined in chat by Ron Gilbert (GrumpyGamer). We'll be chatting about Maniac Mansion (and other things) for the next hour or so http://double-fine-game-club.github.io/
[20:45] <Cheeseness> Stream will be using ScummVM of course :D
[20:45] <m_kiewitz> it will? nice
[20:45] <Cheeseness> Yeah, we almost always use ScummVM when we can
[20:45] <[md5]> ooh nice
[20:45] <fuzzie> <3
[20:46] <Cheeseness> ^_^
[20:57] <Cheeseness> Both Ron and Gary are in chat now \o.
[20:57] <Cheeseness> Although I think Gary is having some technical difficulties
[21:06] <m_kiewitz> it loads...
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[21:09] <m_kiewitz> yeah it works
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[22:06] <GitHub133> [scummvm] skristiansson opened pull request #545: SDL: explicitly set unicode parameter to 0 on SDL_KEYUP events (master...pr/sdl-remove-unicode-on-keyup) http://git.io/rtiaag
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[22:20] <m_kiewitz> Mirror's Edge on PS3 is currently available for free (for the next 22 hours)
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[22:56] <m_kiewitz> grim fandango remastered teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ghlIhHOf4M
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