ScummVM IRC Log - 03 Oct 2014

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[05:06] <digitall> P2E: See here for WIP on doing the second instance of SCUMM engine within ScummVM for running Maniac Mansion within DoTT: https://github.com/digitall/scummvm/tree/tentacleMMStart
[05:07] <digitall> P2E: This is much "lighter" than running an entire second ScummVM instance, but still problematic. Autosave, RTL and start of MM is another option, but I have no WIP for that.
[05:08] <digitall> P2E: This is not easy to implement. The original did it by swapping out the entire SCUMM interpreter memory space and swapping to a MM version... which we could do... maybe.
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[05:10] <digitall> P2E: The main blocker here is that our SCUMM engine implementation (partly due to the design of SCUMM, partly due to it being the oldest engine and partly due to the evolution of SCUMM versions) is quite tangled...
[05:11] <digitall> P2E: No offense to SCUMM engine devs, but it could do some cleanup... but doing this without causing regressions :/
[05:11] <digitall> P2E: Anyway... that is why that is a "holy war" topic :)
[05:12] <digitall> nn
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[05:21] <GitHub41> [scummvm] Strangerke pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/tLdAdg
[05:21] <GitHub41> scummvm/master c4f49f1 Strangerke: TSAGE: R2R - Remove obsolete comment
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[06:18] <GitHub188> [scummvm] eriktorbjorn pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/AO8UqQ

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[06:27] <waltervn> morning
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[06:41] <Strangerke> Arf, my git is dead again :(
[06:41] <Strangerke> pffff
[06:41] <Strangerke> I'll commit later
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[06:50] <fuzzie> morning
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[07:56] <Strangerke|work> hi guys
[07:57] <Tomaz^W> Strangerke|work !!!!!!!!!!
[07:57] <Strangerke|work> hi Tomaz^ :)

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[09:06] <madmoose> morn
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[16:14] <WooShell> meow =^.^=
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[16:56] <t0by> boo.
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[18:02] <waltervn> evening
[18:02] <LordHoto> hey waltervn
[18:22] <t0by> Hey
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[18:34] <GitHub186> [scummvm] Strangerke pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/KehoLg
[18:34] <GitHub186> scummvm/master a042efc Strangerke: TSAGE: R2R - Fix variable check in scene 1337
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[18:40] <somaen> Hi t0by
[18:40] <t0by> Hey there!
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[18:42] <somaen> t0by: Regardin #514, you can reduce the "very wide code" problem by declaring loopStream just at the line after "if (_looping)", since it's used in both alternative branches inside there
[18:43] <somaen> that would cut "Audio::AudioStream *" from the very long lines inside there, helping a bit with the alignment
[18:43] <somaen> OTOH, the general rule is that variables should be declared in as inner a scope as possible, so that's a decision to consider.
[18:44] <t0by> Is it that ugly?
[18:44] <somaen> It's just hard to read on github.
[18:45] <somaen> I'm still not sure why github does what it does presentation wise, I seem to have seen very varying results wrt what tabstop it uses
[18:45] <t0by> Thing is, github uses 6-spaces wide tabs.
[18:45] <t0by> Well, I could, uhm
[18:45] <t0by> break it /somehow/ else
[18:45] <t0by> but it's the less sucky way I could come up with, fully knowing that somebody would say "man this is ugly anyway",.
[18:45] <somaen> https://github.com/tobiatesan/scummvm/commit/676188398a92756b190a022b524180c5fb918be0?ts=4 looks better
[18:46] <t0by> I can bring it outside the code block if you want, your call.
[18:46] <t0by> Wow.
[18:46] <somaen> Well, does that pull it below the threshold where you need to break the line?
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[18:47] <somaen> The thing is, tabs for alignment are a bit quirky with regards to people's varying tabstops
[18:48] <t0by> let me experiment a bit with it.
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[18:49] <somaen> To be fair, I just noted that we explicitly state tabstop=4 in our Code Formatting Conventions
[18:50] <t0by> Yeah, I assumed that.
[18:50] <somaen> And now that I finally figured out how to set tabstop on github... I don't see that big of an issue with it
[18:50] <t0by> A sec
[18:50] <t0by> <somaen> And now that I finally figured out how to set tabstop on github... <=== Right, /how/ did you?
[18:50] <t0by> So I leave it like that?
[18:51] <somaen> t0by: Note the last part of the url
[18:51] <somaen> ?ts=4
[18:51] <somaen> Which I got from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8833953/how-to-change-tab-size-on-github
[18:52] <t0by> No, I got that - /how/ you found out. I saw that nowhere in the interface.
[18:52] <somaen> Google
[18:52] <t0by> +1 for discoverability :-D
[18:52] <somaen> As long as I'm in the territory of "stuff a lot of people use on a daily basis", Google+Stack Overflow is a sure bet
[18:53] <somaen> When I'm trying to figure out weird synthesis problems in my VHDL-code OTOH, I might need to dig a bit further, and possibly pray a bit.
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[18:53] <somaen> (Happily there DOES exist rather usefull forums where people do the same silly mistakes that I do for that case too)
[18:54] <somaen> Oooh, ?w=1 is another usefull one (ignore whitespace changes in diff)
[18:55] <t0by> while we are at it
[18:55] <t0by> People of #scummvm, do you know of any engine, included now or which could possibly included in the future, that uses subtitles in the MicroDVD .SUB format?
[18:56] <fuzzie> no.
[18:56] <somaen> Well, there are the pure DVD FMV things
[18:56] <t0by> that's nother kind of .SUB
[18:56] <t0by> *another
[18:56] <t0by> Same extension, but different format.
[18:56] <somaen> Ah, I love those cases
[18:57] <somaen> Overall, your best bet is "if the format is decently standard, then there's a lower chance that we need support for it than if it is a weird, odd variation that is rarely seen"
[18:59] <t0by> Actually, I *think* DVD Video subtitles are bitmap
[18:59] <t0by> aka pre-rendered
[18:59] <t0by> That being the reason why they look grainy and ugly on all devices
[18:59] <t0by> but don't take my word for it.
[19:00] <t0by> Anyway: <t0by> So I leave it like that?
[19:00] <somaen> Unless you prefer otherwise
[19:00] <somaen> I'm undecided either way, but it might perhaps be prettier with a shorter line.
[19:00] <t0by> Well, I think that's the less sucky way.
[19:00] <somaen> Ok
[19:00] <t0by> Or at least
[19:01] <t0by> I'd prefere to make it more logically reasonable than visually prettier
[19:01] <t0by> But it's no big deal, if you differ, just name it.
[19:01] <somaen> Well, not breaking it is always an option.
[19:01] <somaen> IIRC there are code lines in the gfx-path that are way wider.
[19:01] <somaen> (Since some of them have like 15-16 parameters)
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[19:08] <t0by> I'm going away for a couple of hours, see you in a while!
[19:08] <somaen> ok
[19:08] <somaen> ttyl
[19:08] <t0by> Well, I do have a couple of minutes
[19:09] <t0by> But in a short while I must motor
[19:13] <t0by> And bye
[19:13] <t0by> I'll be back in a couple of hours.
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[19:24] Action: waltervn kicks freenode and ziggo
[19:26] <fuzzie> if only there were Dutch ISPs who weren't unbelievably incompetent
[19:29] <DrMcCoy> It's not as if German ones are less incompetent...
[19:29] <fuzzie> having said that, we are about to be forcibly migrated to Telfort, sigh
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[20:05] <waltervn> ...
[20:24] Action: DrMcCoy gives waltervn some cake for the trouble
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[20:35] <wjp> did we just get another listing as SF project of the week for next week?
[20:37] <fuzzie> ..?
[20:43] <wjp> just got a notice, but the notice carefully avoids actually saying which project it's talking about
[20:43] <DrMcCoy> o_O
[20:44] <DrMcCoy> "An unspecified you're involved in is project of the week"?
[20:46] <wjp> one of the projects of the week
[20:46] <wjp> but yes :-)
[20:49] <DrMcCoy> That's silly
[20:52] <Lightkey> I was going to say if it's wjp, it could be any of a quadrillion projects but probably none are as popular ;-)
[20:58] <wjp> that's why (as you can probably tell) I only asked in here ;-)
[21:01] <DrMcCoy> Sometimes I wonder if there even a single channels on Freenode that Lightkey is not in
[21:01] <DrMcCoy> channel*
[21:03] <fuzzie> a fair question
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[21:22] <Lightkey> it's not :<
[21:23] <Lightkey> I don't even need a scroll bar for all channels, including other networks (in portrait mode) :p
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[21:28] <waltervn> sorry about all these disconnects
[21:28] <waltervn> no idea what's up tonight..
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[22:12] <DrMcCoy> $ mv clone2728 droid2727
[22:15] <Strangerke> rm clone2728
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[22:15] <Strangerke> chmod . -r
[22:15] <DrMcCoy> :O
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[22:16] <Strangerke> sudo chmod . -r
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[22:31] <t0by> nite folks
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[23:14] <Schnabeltierchen> img endorsing scummvm :P
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