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[04:50] <GitHub31> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #768: ACCESS: Reduce audio header dependencies (master...access_audio) https://git.io/vrHdN
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[04:50] <GitHub114> [scummvm] sev- pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vrbBM
[04:50] <GitHub114> scummvm/master 47b2a3a Ori Avtalion: ACCESS: Reduce audio header dependencies
[04:50] <GitHub114> scummvm/master c2efa8d Eugene Sandulenko: Merge pull request #768 from salty-horse/access_audio...
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[05:06] <Strangerke> hi guys
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[05:54] <GitHub42> [scummvm] Strangerke pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vrbu6
[05:54] <GitHub42> scummvm/master 359ef3d Strangerke: MOHAWK: Initialize some more variables
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[06:58] <waltervn> morning
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[07:31] <Strangerke|work> G'day
[07:42] <uruk-hai> good morning :)
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[08:51] <m_kiewitz> just in case anyone is interested - ebay gives out 10% coupons when you register to their newsletter
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[10:29] <Tomaz^W> G'DAy
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[11:16] <GitHub125> [scummvm] sev- pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vrNU0
[11:16] <GitHub125> scummvm/master b590cc2 Eugene Sandulenko: GUI: Cleanup class initialization
[11:16] <GitHub125> scummvm/master c7ad215 Eugene Sandulenko: GUI: More object initialization cleanup
[11:16] <GitHub125> scummvm/master a612b0a Eugene Sandulenko: GRAPHICS: Restore layout debugging capabilities
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[11:57] <Ntemis> hi
[11:59] <Strangerke|work> hi Ntemis
[11:59] <Ntemis> why i have to unzip my games to play?
[11:59] <Ntemis> cant scummvm support zipped games like mame do?
[12:01] <Ntemis> also from what games TESTING flag is removed?
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[12:03] <Strangerke|work> Ntemis: no we don't want to support zip containers because it would help piracy
[12:04] <Strangerke|work> for the testing flag, I'm not sure. Some TsAGE games I think, (Return to Ringworld, Blue Force), Rex Nebular maybe...
[12:04] <Strangerke|work> not sure, sorry
[12:08] <Ntemis> Strangerke|work: what about hhd saving enormous space
[12:08] <Ntemis> hdd
[12:09] <Strangerke|work> Ntemis: 1Tb = less than 60eur
[12:10] <Strangerke|work> and most of the supported games are on floppies
[12:10] <borosky> hah floppies
[12:10] <borosky> id cast my vote for supporting zip, but seems like the decision is made and wont be turned
[12:11] <borosky> but personally i dont have an issue with space or anything so im fine
[12:11] <Ntemis> pita
[12:11] <Ntemis> and is 2016 common guys
[12:12] <Strangerke|work> Really, it's because of piracy (so-called abandonwares). they are all available as ZIP, and it was decided since the very beginning not to support that
[12:12] <Strangerke|work> It's important it's obvious for companies that we do not support piracy, otherwise our situation could quickly get complicated
[12:13] <Ntemis> you dont offer games
[12:13] <Ntemis> so i dont see the complication here
[12:16] <skymandr> It's right that ScummVM does not offer games, but if it were argued that ScummVM was developed and intended as a tool for supporting piracy companies might still take issue with the project being an "enabler"
[12:17] <Strangerke|work> Well, we do offer games
[12:17] <Strangerke|work> We have some freeware games on our download page
[12:18] <Strangerke|work> and, as skymandr said
[12:18] <skymandr> Supporting zip-files is one feature that could be viewed as enabling piracy, since zip-files are not as common outside the piracy scope.
[12:18] <Strangerke|work> so, we keep it as safe as possible
[12:19] <skymandr> Ntemis: You could of course make a patch for the file loader to make it support zipfiles, and put it on GitHub ;)
[12:22] <Ntemis> would really save me some huge hdd space
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[12:44] <Strangerke|work> Ntemis: hum
[12:44] <Ntemis> hum?
[12:45] <Strangerke|work> Ntemis: I don't know many people who owns more games than I do, and I don't have HDD issues :)
[12:45] <Ntemis> not per se
[12:45] <Ntemis> but why not
[12:45] <Ntemis> and because is possible
[12:46] <Ntemis> did you ever played Zeliard?
[12:46] <Ntemis> Strangerke|work: ?
[12:46] <Strangerke|work> of course
[12:46] <Strangerke|work> it's a bit out of scope right now
[12:46] <Ntemis> i really hoped someone would support that
[12:47] <Ntemis> yes it is
[12:47] <Strangerke|work> but I loved this game when it was released
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[12:47] <Ntemis> me2
[12:48] <Strangerke|work> Then you're older than I thought :)
[12:51] <Ntemis> ;)
[12:51] <Ntemis> https://archive.org/details/msdos_Zeliard_1990
[12:51] <Ntemis> you can play it here
[12:52] <Strangerke|work> I also have DosBox you know
[12:52] <Strangerke|work> and I own the game so I can legally play it on my computer
[12:56] <Ntemis> i had it on 5.25" and i couldnt tranfer it to hdd
[12:56] <Ntemis> so is long gone
[12:57] <Strangerke|work> .... Why don't you add a 5.25" on your PC?
[12:57] <Ntemis> because my 8086 was thrown away
[12:58] <Strangerke|work> I added that last year on recent hardware, it works fine. No need of a 8086 :P
[12:58] <Strangerke|work> It's running fine under WinXP at least, I didn't try it on later OSes yet
[13:00] <Ntemis> i dont have the diskette any more
[13:01] <Ntemis> was trashed with my space ace/larry 1/willy beamish
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[13:10] <waltervn> Strangerke|work: 5.25" on a modern motherboard? With no additional hardware?
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[13:35] <_sev|work> Ntemis: normally the games do not come zipped
[13:35] <_sev|work> Ntemis: so why adding an extra step?
[13:35] <_sev|work> e.g. zip your files, then play
[13:36] <Ntemis> will be more tidy and you can move them easily from one machine to other
[13:36] <_sev|work> thus, adding that would definitely point to torrents/archives, etc, when the games are zipped
[13:36] <_sev|work> Ntemis: if you're looking into playing straight from your seeded torrent, then no, it is wrong place to ask
[13:37] <_sev|work> Ntemis: because we want to sleep well, without fear of getting letters from the lawyers
[13:37] <Ntemis> am looking to make my life and others easier
[13:38] <_sev|work> Ntemis: could you please define 'easier'?
[13:38] <Ntemis> like now is a pita to play on my pc and orange pi
[13:39] <_sev|work> what is the reason for that?
[13:39] <_sev|work> ftp/scp works recursively, you know
[13:40] <Ntemis> if is a simple zip file you can move it around devices easier
[13:40] <Ntemis> common sense u know
[13:40] <_sev|work> but you have to zip it first, right?
[13:41] <Ntemis> and you can put several games into a usb if they are zipped vs unzipped
[13:41] <_sev|work> modern USB are well over 4GB. That will fit _any_ ScummVM-supported game
[13:41] <Ntemis> i dont say it doesnt work as it is all i say is "will make our life easier"
[13:41] <Ntemis> (tm)
[13:42] <_sev|work> you still haven't explained how adding an extra step makes somebody's life easier
[13:42] <_sev|work> if it comes as .zip file, then fine
[13:42] <_sev|work> but the games come in plain form, often with their custom compressions
[13:43] <_sev|work> thus, the zipping would not give that huge space gain in absolute numbers
[13:43] <Ntemis> p.s i dont demand anything alas am grateful to your marvelous work you do for free
[13:43] <_sev|work> e.g. you can, say shrink a 10MB game to 3MB, but for anything which is above 100MB, the gain is relatively small
[13:44] <skymandr> Ntemis, if you can convince the copyright holders to start selling their games as downloadable zip-files, then there will be a concrete use case for the developers to take into account :)
[13:44] <_sev|work> the only advantage I see so far is when you mass-download games, and hey come in .zip form
[13:44] <_sev|work> Ntemis: look. Broken Sword 2.5 comes in a .zip archive (renamed to .b25c)
[13:44] <_sev|work> Ntemis: and we do support that
[13:45] <_sev|work> Drascula comes as an ARJ archive. We do support that also
[13:47] <_sev|work> Ntemis: so, what is your usecase?
[13:48] <Ntemis> Lakka
[13:48] <Ntemis> :p
[13:48] <Ntemis> trying to free up space for more games
[13:54] <Strangerke|work> waltervn: yes
[13:54] <Strangerke|work> waltervn: why do you ask? Did you expect issues?
[13:55] <waltervn> Strangerke|work: modern motherboards don't even have a floppy connector, do they?
[13:55] <wysiwtf> many still do for some strange reasons
[13:55] <Strangerke|work> Well, I already had a 3.5" drive in this computer, I added a 5.25". So clearly, it had a floppy connector
[13:56] <waltervn> my main question is about the BIOS though, even a decade ago I only saw 3.5" there. Is that not a problem?
[13:56] <Strangerke|work> I'll check what it says. I remember it was mis-labelled in WinXP, but is working fine
[13:57] <waltervn> I built an old P3 machine for this very purpose, and now wonder if that was wasted effort
[13:58] <waltervn> and usually there's also only one drive selectable in the BIOS, either 3.5" or no drive.
[13:59] <Strangerke|work> weird
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[16:59] <rootfather> hi
[17:00] <rootfather> small question regarding msys2/mingw
[17:00] <rootfather> compared to cygwin, the mingw-w64 and msys2 toolset creates real "native" Win32 applications and doesn't use a compatibility layer like cygwin, right?
[17:00] <rootfather> so there's no performance degradation
[17:01] <WooShell> meow =^.^=
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[17:27] <waltervn> rootfather: right
[17:29] <waltervn> c++11 threading is still a bit of a mess, but that shouldn't matter for scummvm
[17:30] <rootfather> thanks
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[17:41] <snover> boy, what a backlog today
[17:45] <waltervn> IMHO msys2 should be the "supported way" of building scummvm, but maybe that's just me. :)
[17:48] <snover> what is it now? msvc?
[17:48] <waltervn> well, I meant replacing the current mingw.org instructions
[17:48] <waltervn> I guess both msvc and mingw.org are supported
[17:49] <snover> i thought someone did update the instructions with msys2
[17:49] <waltervn> There's msys2 instructions, yes, but with a big "this isn't supported" warning
[17:49] <snover> hm, not sure why they are marked as unofficial
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[17:50] <snover> as far as i know, mingw is a dead project
[17:52] <waltervn> mingw-w64 is the way to go now, and it provides both 32-bit and 64-bit toolchains
[17:53] <m_kiewitz> anyone from Sweden on here?
[17:53] <m_kiewitz> http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/01/29/sweden-caught-censoring-the-internet-1984-style/
[17:54] <_sev> however, some design decisions in mingw64 are questionnable
[17:54] <_sev> just take a look at this: https://sourceforge.net/p/mingw-w64/bugs/541/
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[18:02] <uruk-hai> nice https://www.gog.com/connect
[18:03] <snover> m_kiewitz: http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2446/daily-mail-blocks-sweden-for-legal-reasons.html
[18:03] <snover> from the comments
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[19:23] <ChrisKeys> I like that GOG Connect. I was expecting a business rivalry between these two though. Good thing that didn't happen - they found a good way to coexist :)
[19:24] <ChrisKeys> If Amazon jumps on that train, yay!
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[21:25] <GitHub76> [scummvm] eriktorbjorn pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vrAMS
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