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And good morning to you... Any other negative points and complaints? [11:54] It seems like someone else is in a grumpy mood. [11:55] _Getty (getty@clanid.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:56] It's strange for someone else to speak for the three of us. If we had a problem with it, I know I'd say something [11:57] GitHub28 (~GitHub28@192.30.252.47) joined #scummvm. [11:57] [scummvm-sites] digitall pushed 1 new commit to buildbot: http://git.io/_lE-jg [11:57] scummvm-sites/buildbot a6dc533 D G Turner: BUILDBOT: Switch stable build to new v1.7.0pre branch. [11:57] GitHub28 (GitHub28@192.30.252.47) left #scummvm. [12:01] _sev|work (~sev@scummvm/undead/sev) joined #scummvm. [12:01] #scummvm: mode change '+o _sev|work' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:01] ScummBot (~ScummBot@beta.ipv7.se) left irc: Quit: buildmaster reconfigured: bot disconnecting [12:02] thanks for updating buildbot [12:05] wjp: no problem... If I can get to sorting out the update for the Android toolchain, then we will be in business... providing the office server behave themselves... and don't have a meltdown again. [12:06] droid2727: That minor note was more a polite nudge for sev as I wasn't sure if he was aware about US Independence day or not... [12:07] digitall: yes, but the point was that it's irrelevant. please don't say that on my behalf (I can't speak for the others) [12:07] The choice of dates suggested not ... though it is hard to stop project schedules ending up with at least one clash of a major deadline with a holiday or absence of a key member of staff. [12:10] droid2727: If you disagree with what I said, say it on the scummvm-devel thread... not here. [12:10] digitall: If I thought it was worth commenting on -devel, I would have [12:11] But you are bike-shedding... This is a pointless discussion as the schedule is being pushed back by a week at least for many reasons. I mentioned July 4th as I wasn't sure if sev was aware... and no one else had pointed it out. [12:11] digitall: And part is that I'm fine with pushing back. I just don't want someone essentially speaking for me. [12:12] ScummBot (~ScummBot@beta.ipv7.se) joined #scummvm. [12:13] droid2727: I'm sorry... but where did I say "clone2727 said..." or even "All the US developers will be on holiday so...." .... [12:13] digitall: Right, but it would be strange if I started talking about holidays others would take. [12:14] droid2727: No it wouldn't... [12:18] Anyway... *shrug* This is a pointless conversation. The schedule has been pushed back anyway... everyone seems happy. [12:18] digitall: I disagree. But now i've wasted enough time on this, so whatever [12:18] I offer apologies to you and the other US developers for any slight or perceived slight... and hope that you can exercise your free speech rights in future... 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[17:58] scummvm/branch-1-7 8256a06 Johannes Schickel: YOVEUR: Enable engine by default.... [17:58] GitHub3 (GitHub3@192.30.252.32) left #scummvm. [18:03] Lordhoto: You meant VOYEUR, not YOVEUR I think? :) [18:04] digitall: Nope. [18:04] That is when working with too many colorspaces gets to you... i.e. YUV gets into your head! :) [18:04] digitall: It's all to make children not come in touch with voyeurism through ScummVM. [18:04] LordHoto: Oh great, you mean I bought the wrong game from eBay? :-) [18:05] eriktorbjorn: To be fair: I didn't buy that game yet. [18:06] eriktorbjorn: And currently I didn't even plan on buying it at all... [18:06] eriktorbjorn: But maybe buying the wrong game is a great idea and that's what you wanted to imply? :-) [18:06] It's good that someone has tested Voyeur, at least. I was getting a bit worried about that. (I could test it myself, but I've been trying to run The Neverhood through Valgrind instead.) [18:07] It is a bit odd... the acting reminds me of some of the bad daytime TV movies in the UK... Weird mid-atlantic accents. [18:07] I'm also worried about Return to Ringworld. That one's not completable for me, because it seems it still can deadlock in what I sincerely hope is the final maze. [18:08] eriktorbjorn: So, it's not the mazes themselves that drive you crazy but deadlocks in the mazes? :-) [18:08] LordHoto: Let's just say that the deadlocks don't help. [18:08] Well, getting to the final screen... and then it deadlocks sounds like torture. [18:08] eriktorbjorn: :-D [18:10] Actually, that maze seems to be able to hang in two entirely different ways: Deadlock (where everything freezes), and one where the game keeps running, but the cursor is gone and it's not responding to input. [18:10] t0by (~t0by@host80-247-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #scummvm. [18:10] #scummvm: mode change '+v t0by' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [18:10] the-loop-digga (~Instantbi@pptp-62-72-88-125.pptp.gigaspeedsurfer.de) joined #scummvm. [18:10] eriktorbjorn: I guess that's the ultimative maze madness. [18:11] LordHoto: I thought "Labyrinth of Time" was. [18:20] Well at least that is more "advertised" in the name! :) [18:21] eriktorbjorn: Can you get to the debug console in the second case? [18:22] If so, we could add some way of dumping state... Or you run it under gdb, breakpoint and see what is hinky... which should work for both cases. [18:22] digitall: I don't know. [18:23] digitall: I only tried gdb, and I couldn't see anything obvious there. It was running, I just didn't have any cursor or any other way of controlling the game. [18:23] gdb has a low overhead... compared to valgrind... fairly easy to play... then when it locks, you CTRL-C to break execution and then "bt" to print a backtrace. [18:23] I think eriktorbjorn already provided backtraces for deadlocks ;-). [18:24] Let's see... I just got it to hang in the non-deadlocky way. [18:24] Hmm... One way to fix that is to add a console command to renable the cursor.. as per http://forums.scummvm.org/viewtopic.php?t=13648 [18:24] I can use ScummVM's debug console, but I'm not sure how that helps me. [18:25] Also, you could use the current commands to print the state of the tsage engine to see what is up [18:26] Well, there aren't that many debug commands to play with. [18:28] eriktobjorn: Time to add a few relevant ones then... [18:31] Judging by gdb, it's running GameHandler::execute(), which sounds like a pretty normal thing to do. [18:32] m_kiewitz (~m_kiewitz@kons-4d0266bc.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #scummvm. [18:32] #scummvm: mode change '+o m_kiewitz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [18:34] So I really don't know what's happening. [18:35] Jackster (~textual@97e3f77f.skybroadband.com) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. [18:41] qxpwvh (~jappi@dslb-094-222-097-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: [18:56] sirlemonhead (~bduncan22@95.44.164.183) joined #scummvm. [19:04] eriktobjorn: I assume that this is bug 6636? [19:04] Sorry bug 6638 [19:10] criezy (~criezy@host86-139-77-125.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined #scummvm. [19:10] #scummvm: mode change '+o criezy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:10] loopiboy (~Instantbi@pptp-62-72-88-166.pptp.gigaspeedsurfer.de) joined #scummvm. [19:10] the-loop-digga (~Instantbi@pptp-62-72-88-125.pptp.gigaspeedsurfer.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [19:19] digitall: Yes, I noticed a little while ago that I had posted that to the complete wrong bug report. [19:20] eriktorbjorn: That's good... I hadn't ... but didn't read it very closely. [19:21] digitall: Oh, I thought you were talking about the misposted comment. But yes, the "sometimes hangs in flup tube system" bug is the one I was talking about. 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[20:22] Action: LordHoto joins the fuzzie poking [20:22] hence why zeldin just pushed those commits... [20:23] oh [20:24] Action: digitall hugs fuzzie... [20:24] Evening... The Android toolchain now has shiny new up to date platform-tools and tools in the SDK. [20:24] m_kiewitz (~m_kiewitz@kons-4d0266bc.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:25] thanks :) [20:26] No problem... Zeldin did most of the work. I just finally got round to backing up the old bits, moving them off and putting the new ones in place and sorting permissions. [20:26] I'm not sure if we need to do anything else... [20:27] not that I can think of, off the top of my head [20:27] how's buildbot's libraries? [20:28] ny00123 (~ny00123@bzq-79-183-113-226.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:29] fuzzie: Most are up to date... or rather most of the missing libjpeg, libpng and other dependencies have been added. [20:29] Some issues with Freetype2 building for some platforms... [20:29] yes, it all looks good except for freetype which is bad anyway [20:29] and I need to downgrade the Debian x86_64 library builds to match the versions used by Debian Stable... [20:29] SORRY... Testing... Debian Testing. [20:30] I have working freetype2 for x86/mips/armeabi/armeabi-v7a here but it gives terrible results so meh [20:30] it all looks pretty good otherwise? [20:31] #433 is still lurking, but I can't deal with it right now [20:31] D0SFreak (~D0SFreak@162.253.128.90) joined #scummvm. [20:32] GitHub50 (~GitHub50@192.30.252.35) joined #scummvm. [20:32] [scummvm] somaen opened pull request #474: I18N: Update the norwegian (bokmål/nynorsk)-translations a bit (master...translateNor) http://git.io/Ul6wQQ [20:32] GitHub50 (GitHub50@192.30.252.35) left #scummvm. [20:40] ajax16384 (~User@ip203.net177.n37.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:42] RUBICN64 (~Android@2601:7:94c0:16f:208:ff:fe00:412a) joined #scummvm. [20:43] edheldil_ (~edheldil@ip-78-45-160-121.net.upcbroadband.cz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:44] edheldil_ (~edheldil@ip-78-45-160-121.net.upcbroadband.cz) joined #scummvm. [20:47] fuzzie: Yep. *shrug* #433 would be ncie with some code to support 2.2 and earlier... but up to the team. [21:04] RUBICN64 (~Android@2601:7:94c0:16f:208:ff:fe00:412a) left irc: Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting [21:14] criezy (~criezy@host86-139-77-125.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: criezy [21:22] <[md5]> digitall: I don't think we really need to support 2.2 and earlier [21:22] <[md5]> I mean... they are ancient [21:22] <[md5]> we just dumped MSVC8 cause it's ancient :P [21:23] But MSVC is just horrible ;-) [21:23] next up, dropping anything pre-win8? :) [21:23] <[md5]> :P [21:23] <[md5]> well [21:23] (metro!) [21:23] <[md5]> just look at the market share [21:23] <[md5]> http://www.appbrain.com/stats/top-android-sdk-versions [21:24] <[md5]> all the versions up to 2.2 are about 1% [21:24] <[md5]> ...... [21:24] <[md5]> 1! [21:24] <[md5]> ok 1.2 [21:24] isn't that useless? [21:24] <[md5]> what is? [21:24] the stats [21:24] yep [21:25] <[md5]> well, let me ask then... is IE6 considered bad and useless? [21:25] <[md5]> (yes) [21:25] this is a bit of a silly discussion [21:25] I already made my view clear in the pull request [21:26] it just annoys me when people use silly statistics to argue it [21:26] Those stats are a bit useless... as by definition any platform it doesn't run on will end up with a share of zero... [21:26] The old egg and chicken problem., [21:26] <[md5]> "it" = ? [21:26] <[md5]> *shrug* [21:26] But dumping 2.2 and earlier is fine with me if it is documented. [21:26] appbrain, which is basically targetting Google Play [21:26] which you have to sell your soul to google to use [21:27] It being ScummVM or any executable... As fuzzie also indicates... it only works for people who installed via Google Play... rather than used a daily build. [21:28] But as I said... I am fine with dumping 2.2 for now... If people care enough, they will add a patch for fallback ... [21:28] discarding 2.2 is reasonable, but all these stats underestimate 2.3 usage [21:28] yeah [21:28] <[md5]> but the point is that 2.2 is more or less ancient. The phones that run it don't have the CPU to handle ScummVM [21:28] Actually... I think my Laptop runs Android x86 around 2.2 ... [21:29] It certainly didn't used to work a while back... but that was due to the previous regression which broken anything prior to 3.1 [21:29] ScummVM still works fine CPU-wise on the first commercial Android phone [21:29] fuzzie: Nexus 1 ? [21:29] no :P [21:29] (HTC Dream) [21:30] [md5]: where did you see they don't have the cpu? [21:31] Hmm... Android v1.5 Cupcake on that one. [21:31] digitall: the one here is running 4.0 [21:32] The storage is a bigger problem than the CPU. [21:33] <[md5]> right, ok, so these phones can run ScummVM. But this still doesn't change the fact that these are old operating systems, more or less hard to work with [21:33] yes, so that's the real argument [21:33] <[md5]> yep [21:33] So is N64, but we still have that port ;) [21:33] native code on pre-2.3 is a hack, and supporting it has lead to a worse user experience for everyone [21:33] <[md5]> I don't see us supporting BeOS anymore... [21:34] if we had a dedicated porter.. :P [21:34] <[md5]> is there one anymore? :P [21:35] Actually there is... Begasus [21:35] <[md5]> but truth be told, we do support other ancient operating systems [21:35] but I think he is mainly aiming for Haiku, than stock BeOS [21:35] bgK (~bbouclet@vai69-5-88-183-207-181.fbx.proxad.net) joined #scummvm. [21:35] #scummvm: mode change '+o bgK' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [21:37] <[md5]> in any case, I find it odd that people want to dump old compilers on one hand, but still want to support abandoned operating systems on the other hand, that is all [21:38] there's a non-zero number of users of the old OS, who can't necessarily upgrade [21:39] that's all [21:41] <[md5]> true, there will always be a non-zero number of users of an old OS. But then you start judging how much effort it takes to support them, compared to newer operating systems [21:41] <[md5]> which is my argument [21:42] <[md5]> but it doesn't matter anyway, so... [21:44] I do agree... But some of us are fans of older OS and thus want to keep things running... and some people do it for the fun... [21:44] But even without those, the older systems are good "canaries" for resource usage and various other portability issues. [21:45] <[md5]> they are, up to a point [21:45] <[md5]> look at DS [21:45] We still have alignment problems in some engines btw... notably Parallaction which has issues on the Dreamcast's CPU alignment. [21:47] Jon_God (~jon_god@2601:9:6700:4d9:3e07:54ff:fe26:6d61) joined #scummvm. [21:49] misterhands (misterhand@AOrleans-653-1-27-212.w92-152.abo.wanadoo.fr) left #scummvm. [21:50] we don't speak of the xbox port i take it [21:53] digitall: fix them! [21:55] blitter: the last time I looked at it, no-one had bothered doing a legal one (i.e. without including pirated stuff in the binary). [21:56] <[md5]> the legal one is still missing bits and pieces, IIRC... [21:57] <[md5]> it was OpenXDK, I think [21:57] openxdk? there is still a lot missing, and not a lot of interest in maintaining it last i checked [21:57] <[md5]> yeah, last update was in 2005 [21:58] LordHoto: Bug 4444 is fixed... At least it now starts! :) [21:58] <[md5]> almost a decade ago :P [21:58] blitter: The status and all relevant links are here: http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/Platforms#Unofficial_Platforms [21:59] Less any links to the builds which used the leaked XDK... and thus are not legally distributable. [21:59] <[md5]> there is some info concerning OpenXDK here: http://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/20077/openxdk-questions [22:00] <[md5]> a lot of functionality missing [22:01] evil-t0by (~t0by@host80-247-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:03] hmm, last update might actually have been in 2007... http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=27627 [22:03] i don't know much about pbKit though, don't know if that would be sufficient to get scummvm playable [22:05] scummvm is probably fine without any accel at all on that kind of hardware [22:05] Well no one has even tried to produce a recent build with OpenXDK... blitter... feel free. Any patch to add this would be fine... [22:06] also pbKit has a crazy license [22:07] whoo [22:07] fuzzie: What kind of crazy... Full tinfoil hat... or just I WANT A PONY? [22:07] does it matter? [22:08] hmm [22:10] yeah the "Academic Free License" [22:10] aka " [22:10] aka "incompatible with the openxdk license" :) [22:10] *FACEPALM* [22:11] (yes, it is v2) [22:11] digitall: aren't people awesome? [22:16] WooShell (woo@188-195-8-183-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Quit: Walking upside down in the sky, between the satellites passing by. Gliding along the black rainbow, I fly away with my shadow. Scratching the moon like a DJ, the night follows its odyssey. [22:16] fuzzie: I much prefer shell scripts... easier to debug. [22:23] droid2727 (~droid2727@77.sub-70-192-96.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [22:27] droid2727 (~droid2727@77.sub-70-192-96.myvzw.com) joined #scummvm. [22:27] #scummvm: mode change '+o droid2727' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [22:31] droid2727 (~droid2727@77.sub-70-192-96.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:31] droid2727 (~droid2727@77.sub-70-192-96.myvzw.com) joined #scummvm. 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I suspect mainly to run https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn though! :) [22:47] it's a unix system [22:47] i know this! [22:50] Yep... though looking at the thirdparty nekoware site for SGI... the last update was around 2011 and that beta build for scummvm 1.2.0... [22:50] http://nekoware.dustytech.net/beta/neko_scummvm-1.2.0.tardist for anyone who wonders. [22:51] probably why the remaining users are various computer museum people and are compiling packages themselves now... hence the sporadic bugs. [22:52] Port build status changed with 8256a06d: Success: stable-ouya [22:54] That reminds me... I should switch on stable nightly builds. [23:01] GitHub21 (~GitHub21@192.30.252.39) joined #scummvm. [23:01] [scummvm-sites] digitall pushed 1 new commit to buildbot: http://git.io/1G0z4g [23:01] scummvm-sites/buildbot 1f6802f D G Turner: BUILDBOT: Enable stable nightly builds for release testing.... [23:01] GitHub21 (GitHub21@192.30.252.39) left #scummvm. 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